[Cialug] Server Distros

Sat Mar 27 10:15:51 UTC 2021

I'm not really sure. I don't have any experience with docker.   For me it's
the entire LAMP stack that is "develop" on what you run on.

As for docker... Sometime in the next couple of weeks we are going to be
experimenting with it using use Shiny Proxy to launch containers containing
Shiny server and R server.  That's definitely going to be a project.

:) Dave

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 5:31 PM Andrew Denner <linux-list at upeke.com> wrote:

> Would docker get you most of the way to the "develop on what you run" rule?
> (Yes I know kernel version is still an issue)
>
> I am a bit torn between Ubuntu LTS server and Debian for servers.
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 1:53 PM Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
>
> > I pondered keeping rhel8 in production and running Fedora in development.
> > I even spun up a Fedora vm and tried it out.    Following the "develop on
> > when you run on rule" has worked well for me and I want to continue that
> > practice.  The stability of Fedora wasn't a consideration, the primary
> > consideration was that development and production environments must be an
> > identical match.
> >
> > I really like Ubuntu, but I just really didn't didn't want to switch over
> > all my production and development at this time.  When I looked at it, an
> > additional 5 rhel 8 workstations at $100 each per year, made the choice a
> > no-brainer, so I just moved everything to RHEL8.
> >
> > :) Dave
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 1:30 PM Theron Conrey <theron at conrey.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Being a former redhatter, and working at a company with arguably one of
> > the
> > > largest linux (centos) deployments in the world, it's always curious to
> > > hear where people have opinions shaped. I was asking because the centos
> > > announcement caused some serious internal conversations but no
> > > noticeable thoughts of "this is now no longer production ready", and
> > given
> > > the fact that it's basically moving to a model that looks a lot like
> > > OpenSUSE today, the pushback from the broader community still causes me
> > to
> > > scratch my head.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure why folks think that somehow Redhat "needs" to provide a
> > > binary compatible distro of RHEL in order to somehow stay relevant, but
> > > you're right, there are always viable alternatives! It's just strange
> to
> > > me, and I totally am super curious about where it comes from, that
> folks
> > > somehow ditch CentOS simply due to it now feeding into RHEL like fedora
> > vs.
> > > being a downstream zero cost clone of their flagship product.
> > >
> > > I can name at least two major network switching vendors that base their
> > > products on Fedora, and I've always liked having the upstream
> flexibility
> > > of RHEL, so when I hear it's "not stable" I always wonder what that
> means
> > > to the speaker.
> > >
> > > Ubuntu is dope. If you moved everything over and it works for you,
> > awesome!
> > > I just think making the decision based on an idea that RH is somehow
> > > destroying CentOS vs. simply adjusting it to better align with software
> > > development and it's business model to be a bit hyperbolic. I get it.
> The
> > > change was NOT messaged great. I was on the outside looking in when it
> > was
> > > announced and I was scratching my head too lol, but I think it's
> healthy
> > > overall for the needed evolution of RHEL in a container/continuous
> > > deployment world.
> > >
> > > anywho, thanks for your thoughts!
> > >
> > > -theron
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 1:14 PM Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Nothing against Centos 7.   I choose rhel8, because I was doing some
> > new
> > > > projects and it made sense to me to start out on the latest
> version.  I
> > > > had assumed there would be centos 8... and there was... for a while.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 1:02 PM Kyle H <khamil8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > it is no longer stable, it’s between dev and experimental or
> > > something...
> > > > > not sure if i got the branches right off top of my head but
> > essentially
> > > > > that, and the fact ubuntu is gaining steam, i think rhel will have
> to
> > > > > reverse its decision on changing centos and destroying it. just
> > > installed
> > > > > ubuntu server 20.04 and getting rid of the old centos server. :p
> > > > >
> > > > > have a good day
> > > > > kyle
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 12:56 PM Theron Conrey <theron at conrey.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > As a former redhatter, I'm genuinely curious what makes you say
> > that
> > > > > CentOS
> > > > > > won't be an option anymore? I'd love to understand your thoughts
> > > here!
> > > > If
> > > > > > it's not something you want to talk about on the lug chat, you
> can
> > > > email
> > > > > me
> > > > > > directly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To your question though, I'm using a mix of fedora and centos for
> > > > > personal
> > > > > > server workloads.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -theron
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:39 AM Todd Walton <tdwalton at gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > What are y'all using for server distros these days? I've been
> > > > thinking
> > > > > > > about what to go with for the future, since my old default
> > answer,
> > > > > > CentOS,
> > > > > > > won't be an option anymore.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maybe a CentOS replacement. Maybe jump to Ubuntu or Debian. Any
> > > > > thoughts
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > Ubuntu Server vs Debian? I don't know anything about that side
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > Linuxverse.
> > > > > > >
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