[Cialug] Server Distros

Fri Mar 26 22:30:19 UTC 2021

Would docker get you most of the way to the "develop on what you run" rule?
(Yes I know kernel version is still an issue)

I am a bit torn between Ubuntu LTS server and Debian for servers.

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 1:53 PM Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:

> I pondered keeping rhel8 in production and running Fedora in development.
> I even spun up a Fedora vm and tried it out.    Following the "develop on
> when you run on rule" has worked well for me and I want to continue that
> practice.  The stability of Fedora wasn't a consideration, the primary
> consideration was that development and production environments must be an
> identical match.
>
> I really like Ubuntu, but I just really didn't didn't want to switch over
> all my production and development at this time.  When I looked at it, an
> additional 5 rhel 8 workstations at $100 each per year, made the choice a
> no-brainer, so I just moved everything to RHEL8.
>
> :) Dave
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 1:30 PM Theron Conrey <theron at conrey.org> wrote:
>
> > Being a former redhatter, and working at a company with arguably one of
> the
> > largest linux (centos) deployments in the world, it's always curious to
> > hear where people have opinions shaped. I was asking because the centos
> > announcement caused some serious internal conversations but no
> > noticeable thoughts of "this is now no longer production ready", and
> given
> > the fact that it's basically moving to a model that looks a lot like
> > OpenSUSE today, the pushback from the broader community still causes me
> to
> > scratch my head.
> >
> > I'm not sure why folks think that somehow Redhat "needs" to provide a
> > binary compatible distro of RHEL in order to somehow stay relevant, but
> > you're right, there are always viable alternatives! It's just strange to
> > me, and I totally am super curious about where it comes from, that folks
> > somehow ditch CentOS simply due to it now feeding into RHEL like fedora
> vs.
> > being a downstream zero cost clone of their flagship product.
> >
> > I can name at least two major network switching vendors that base their
> > products on Fedora, and I've always liked having the upstream flexibility
> > of RHEL, so when I hear it's "not stable" I always wonder what that means
> > to the speaker.
> >
> > Ubuntu is dope. If you moved everything over and it works for you,
> awesome!
> > I just think making the decision based on an idea that RH is somehow
> > destroying CentOS vs. simply adjusting it to better align with software
> > development and it's business model to be a bit hyperbolic. I get it. The
> > change was NOT messaged great. I was on the outside looking in when it
> was
> > announced and I was scratching my head too lol, but I think it's healthy
> > overall for the needed evolution of RHEL in a container/continuous
> > deployment world.
> >
> > anywho, thanks for your thoughts!
> >
> > -theron
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 1:14 PM Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Nothing against Centos 7.   I choose rhel8, because I was doing some
> new
> > > projects and it made sense to me to start out on the latest version.  I
> > > had assumed there would be centos 8... and there was... for a while.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 1:02 PM Kyle H <khamil8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > it is no longer stable, it’s between dev and experimental or
> > something...
> > > > not sure if i got the branches right off top of my head but
> essentially
> > > > that, and the fact ubuntu is gaining steam, i think rhel will have to
> > > > reverse its decision on changing centos and destroying it. just
> > installed
> > > > ubuntu server 20.04 and getting rid of the old centos server. :p
> > > >
> > > > have a good day
> > > > kyle
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 12:56 PM Theron Conrey <theron at conrey.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > As a former redhatter, I'm genuinely curious what makes you say
> that
> > > > CentOS
> > > > > won't be an option anymore? I'd love to understand your thoughts
> > here!
> > > If
> > > > > it's not something you want to talk about on the lug chat, you can
> > > email
> > > > me
> > > > > directly.
> > > > >
> > > > > To your question though, I'm using a mix of fedora and centos for
> > > > personal
> > > > > server workloads.
> > > > >
> > > > > -theron
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:39 AM Todd Walton <tdwalton at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > What are y'all using for server distros these days? I've been
> > > thinking
> > > > > > about what to go with for the future, since my old default
> answer,
> > > > > CentOS,
> > > > > > won't be an option anymore.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe a CentOS replacement. Maybe jump to Ubuntu or Debian. Any
> > > > thoughts
> > > > > on
> > > > > > Ubuntu Server vs Debian? I don't know anything about that side of
> > the
> > > > > > Linuxverse.
> > > > > >
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