[Cialug] Server Distros

Fri Mar 26 19:00:04 UTC 2021

yeah, IMHO, they've totally botched the announcement of this, and left a lot of room for FUD and confusion.  I suspect the reality will be somewhere between fedora's 18 month support cycle and centos' 8ish years.

if you're looking for something you only have to upgrade every 5 years, I think ubuntu LTS is the only option, even "slow" debian is pretty good at 2 year cycles, which becomes ~4 if you follow through the oldstable cycle.   but with (mostly) seamless dist-upgrades, 2y doesn't matter to me, and if centos stream inherits that from fedora, that'd be awesome

it's an interesting dichotomy as lots of folks move to containerization and measure lifetimes in days rather than years :)

-barrry

> On Mar 26, 2021, at 1:29 PM, Theron Conrey <theron at conrey.org> wrote:
> 
> Being a former redhatter, and working at a company with arguably one of the
> largest linux (centos) deployments in the world, it's always curious to
> hear where people have opinions shaped. I was asking because the centos
> announcement caused some serious internal conversations but no
> noticeable thoughts of "this is now no longer production ready", and given
> the fact that it's basically moving to a model that looks a lot like
> OpenSUSE today, the pushback from the broader community still causes me to
> scratch my head.
> 
> I'm not sure why folks think that somehow Redhat "needs" to provide a
> binary compatible distro of RHEL in order to somehow stay relevant, but
> you're right, there are always viable alternatives! It's just strange to
> me, and I totally am super curious about where it comes from, that folks
> somehow ditch CentOS simply due to it now feeding into RHEL like fedora vs.
> being a downstream zero cost clone of their flagship product.
> 
> I can name at least two major network switching vendors that base their
> products on Fedora, and I've always liked having the upstream flexibility
> of RHEL, so when I hear it's "not stable" I always wonder what that means
> to the speaker.
> 
> Ubuntu is dope. If you moved everything over and it works for you, awesome!
> I just think making the decision based on an idea that RH is somehow
> destroying CentOS vs. simply adjusting it to better align with software
> development and it's business model to be a bit hyperbolic. I get it. The
> change was NOT messaged great. I was on the outside looking in when it was
> announced and I was scratching my head too lol, but I think it's healthy
> overall for the needed evolution of RHEL in a container/continuous
> deployment world.
> 
> anywho, thanks for your thoughts!
> 
> -theron
> 
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 1:14 PM Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
> 
>> Nothing against Centos 7.   I choose rhel8, because I was doing some new
>> projects and it made sense to me to start out on the latest version.  I
>> had assumed there would be centos 8... and there was... for a while.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 1:02 PM Kyle H <khamil8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> it is no longer stable, it’s between dev and experimental or something...
>>> not sure if i got the branches right off top of my head but essentially
>>> that, and the fact ubuntu is gaining steam, i think rhel will have to
>>> reverse its decision on changing centos and destroying it. just installed
>>> ubuntu server 20.04 and getting rid of the old centos server. :p
>>> 
>>> have a good day
>>> kyle
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 12:56 PM Theron Conrey <theron at conrey.org>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> As a former redhatter, I'm genuinely curious what makes you say that
>>> CentOS
>>>> won't be an option anymore? I'd love to understand your thoughts here!
>> If
>>>> it's not something you want to talk about on the lug chat, you can
>> email
>>> me
>>>> directly.
>>>> 
>>>> To your question though, I'm using a mix of fedora and centos for
>>> personal
>>>> server workloads.
>>>> 
>>>> -theron
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:39 AM Todd Walton <tdwalton at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> What are y'all using for server distros these days? I've been
>> thinking
>>>>> about what to go with for the future, since my old default answer,
>>>> CentOS,
>>>>> won't be an option anymore.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe a CentOS replacement. Maybe jump to Ubuntu or Debian. Any
>>> thoughts
>>>> on
>>>>> Ubuntu Server vs Debian? I don't know anything about that side of the
>>>>> Linuxverse.
>>>>> 
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