[Cialug] Server Distros

Fri Mar 26 19:31:26 UTC 2021

I think the idea of a release cycle is dead, and distros are trying to
figure out how to deal with it.

-theron

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 2:00 PM Barry Von Ahsen <vonahsen at gmail.com> wrote:

> yeah, IMHO, they've totally botched the announcement of this, and left a
> lot of room for FUD and confusion.  I suspect the reality will be somewhere
> between fedora's 18 month support cycle and centos' 8ish years.
>
> if you're looking for something you only have to upgrade every 5 years, I
> think ubuntu LTS is the only option, even "slow" debian is pretty good at 2
> year cycles, which becomes ~4 if you follow through the oldstable cycle.
>  but with (mostly) seamless dist-upgrades, 2y doesn't matter to me, and if
> centos stream inherits that from fedora, that'd be awesome
>
> it's an interesting dichotomy as lots of folks move to containerization
> and measure lifetimes in days rather than years :)
>
>
>
> -barrry
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 26, 2021, at 1:29 PM, Theron Conrey <theron at conrey.org> wrote:
> >
> > Being a former redhatter, and working at a company with arguably one of
> the
> > largest linux (centos) deployments in the world, it's always curious to
> > hear where people have opinions shaped. I was asking because the centos
> > announcement caused some serious internal conversations but no
> > noticeable thoughts of "this is now no longer production ready", and
> given
> > the fact that it's basically moving to a model that looks a lot like
> > OpenSUSE today, the pushback from the broader community still causes me
> to
> > scratch my head.
> >
> > I'm not sure why folks think that somehow Redhat "needs" to provide a
> > binary compatible distro of RHEL in order to somehow stay relevant, but
> > you're right, there are always viable alternatives! It's just strange to
> > me, and I totally am super curious about where it comes from, that folks
> > somehow ditch CentOS simply due to it now feeding into RHEL like fedora
> vs.
> > being a downstream zero cost clone of their flagship product.
> >
> > I can name at least two major network switching vendors that base their
> > products on Fedora, and I've always liked having the upstream flexibility
> > of RHEL, so when I hear it's "not stable" I always wonder what that means
> > to the speaker.
> >
> > Ubuntu is dope. If you moved everything over and it works for you,
> awesome!
> > I just think making the decision based on an idea that RH is somehow
> > destroying CentOS vs. simply adjusting it to better align with software
> > development and it's business model to be a bit hyperbolic. I get it. The
> > change was NOT messaged great. I was on the outside looking in when it
> was
> > announced and I was scratching my head too lol, but I think it's healthy
> > overall for the needed evolution of RHEL in a container/continuous
> > deployment world.
> >
> > anywho, thanks for your thoughts!
> >
> > -theron
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 1:14 PM Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Nothing against Centos 7.   I choose rhel8, because I was doing some new
> >> projects and it made sense to me to start out on the latest version.  I
> >> had assumed there would be centos 8... and there was... for a while.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 1:02 PM Kyle H <khamil8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> it is no longer stable, it’s between dev and experimental or
> something...
> >>> not sure if i got the branches right off top of my head but essentially
> >>> that, and the fact ubuntu is gaining steam, i think rhel will have to
> >>> reverse its decision on changing centos and destroying it. just
> installed
> >>> ubuntu server 20.04 and getting rid of the old centos server. :p
> >>>
> >>> have a good day
> >>> kyle
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 12:56 PM Theron Conrey <theron at conrey.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> As a former redhatter, I'm genuinely curious what makes you say that
> >>> CentOS
> >>>> won't be an option anymore? I'd love to understand your thoughts here!
> >> If
> >>>> it's not something you want to talk about on the lug chat, you can
> >> email
> >>> me
> >>>> directly.
> >>>>
> >>>> To your question though, I'm using a mix of fedora and centos for
> >>> personal
> >>>> server workloads.
> >>>>
> >>>> -theron
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:39 AM Todd Walton <tdwalton at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> What are y'all using for server distros these days? I've been
> >> thinking
> >>>>> about what to go with for the future, since my old default answer,
> >>>> CentOS,
> >>>>> won't be an option anymore.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maybe a CentOS replacement. Maybe jump to Ubuntu or Debian. Any
> >>> thoughts
> >>>> on
> >>>>> Ubuntu Server vs Debian? I don't know anything about that side of the
> >>>>> Linuxverse.
> >>>>>
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