[Cialug] Home DLP, Anyone?

Tue May 6 15:13:36 CDT 2014

Does one of the floppies contain your mortal enemy list?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SczxwCSt1F8

On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 2:00 PM, David Champion <dchamp1337 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I may still have some old C64 5.25" floppies that I used a hole punch to
> make them double-sided. I'm sure they probably wouldn't work.
>
> -dc
>
>
> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
>
> > I still have a box of 8in floppies and iirc, one of them has cp/m on it.
> >
> > :) Dave
> >
> > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Tim Wilson <tim_linux at wilson-home.com>
> > wrote:
> > > In a pinch, I've used a knife and another floppy as the template, but
> the
> > > punch did make it easier.  Primarily, this was for turning single-sided
> > > floppies into double-sided.  Remember SSDD or DSDD?  Wow, how times
> have
> > > changed.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I used a paper punch.
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >>  Anyone else ever own a punch for 5 1/4“ floppies?
> > >> >
> > >> > /me raises hand
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:17 PM, jim kraai <jimgkraai at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Physical read-only switches on hardware storage devices would help
> > with
> > >> >> that, also.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Anyone else ever own a punch for 5 1/4“ floppies?
> > >> >> On May 6, 2014 12:53 PM, <j.bengtson at mchsi.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > If we didn't need to persist SOME data, we could just use a live
> CD
> > >> and
> > >> >> > reboot every couple of hours or so.  You don't have to worrry so
> > much
> > >> >> about
> > >> >> > viruses, worms, and other miscellaneous malware because they're
> > gone
> > >> when
> > >> >> > you reboot.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> > From: jim kraai
> > >> >> > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> > >> >> > Sent: Tue, 6 May 2014 11:57:36 -0500 (CDT)
> > >> >> > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Home DLP, Anyone?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I have relatives, a couple, who have explicitly, intentionally
> done
> > >> what
> > >> >> > you suggested on the, arguably flawed, assumption that they have
> > >> nothing
> > >> >> to
> > >> >> > hide and nothing worth stealing.  They now pay best buy $300/yr
> on
> > >> some
> > >> >> > blanket security/repair plan, $100+/yr on cloud backup, and I
> spend
> > >> about
> > >> >> > 50 hrs/yr helping them deal with the problems that aren't covered
> > by
> > >> the
> > >> >> > commercial services
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > So, that's my current mental model for how wanton neglect
> benefits
> > >> normal
> > >> >> > users.
> > >> >> > On May 6, 2014 11:42 AM, "Dave Hala"  wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > > My day job is fairly dull this time of year, so I guess you
> could
> > >> say
> > >> >> > > those thoughts are born of boredom.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > :) Dave
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 11:25 AM, jim kraai  wrote:
> > >> >> > > > If that was very zen or sarcastic, I get it :-)
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > I remember an old sci-fi story about a world that was
> polluted
> > >> with
> > >> >> > > > quadrillions of little surveillance lense/transmitter things.
> > >>  There
> > >> >> > was
> > >> >> > > no
> > >> >> > > > way to tell who produced a given lens or even whether one was
> > of
> > >> >> > civilian
> > >> >> > > > or commercial origin.  The protagonist struggled with the
> > problem
> > >> of
> > >> >> > > > keeping all of them out of his house, meticulously vacuuming,
> > >> etc.,
> > >> >> > > > spending a significant portion of his time and resources on
> the
> > >> >> > problem.
> > >> >> > > > In the way that such stories end, he finally gave up and dove
> > >> into a
> > >> >> > > > swimming pool sized pile of them.
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > You raise a good point.  Who's paying you to say such things?
> > >>  Does
> > >> >> it
> > >> >> > at
> > >> >> > > > least pay the mortgage?  :-)
> > >> >> > > >  On May 6, 2014 11:09 AM, "Dave Hala"  wrote:
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > >> Try approaching the problem from a different perspective, by
> > >> asking
> > >> >> > > >> the question: What If do nothing? or What if I do the same
> > thing
> > >> as
> > >> >> > > >> everyone else?
> > >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >> (I'm *not* suggesting doing nothing.)
> > >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >> :) Dave
> > >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:57 AM, jim kraai  wrote:
> > >> >> > > >> > This email contains fever-induced, half-baked thoughts.
> > Proceed
> > >> >> with
> > >> >> > > >> > caution.
> > >> >> > > >> >
> > >> >> > > >> >
> > >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
> http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/05/06/1343210/anti-virus-is-dead-but-still-makes-money-says-symantec(uh
> > >> >> > > >> ,
> > >> >> > > >> > I guess I'm obligated to say, "Slashdot sux" or something
> > like
> > >> >> that)
> > >> >> > > >> >
> > >> >> > > >> > The piece says "Meanwhile, other security firms including
> > >> FireEye,
> > >> >> > > >> RedSocks
> > >> >> > > >> > and Imperva are casting doubt on AV, suggesting a focus on
> > data
> > >> >> loss
> > >> >> > > >> > prevention might be better."
> > >> >> > > >> >
> > >> >> > > >> > I used to work at a DLP company.
> > >> >> > > >> >
> > >> >> > > >> > I came to view DLP is an interesting, but terribly
> > ineffective
> > >> >> > thing.
> > >> >> > > >> > Rather, it's effective against terribly naive
> > agents/hackers.
> > >> >> > > >> >
> > >> >> > > >> > What's the general consensus here on using DLP as a way to
> > >> secure
> > >> >> > home
> > >> >> > > >> and
> > >> >> > > >> > small business networks?
> > >> >> > > >> >
> > >> >> > > >> > Here's a weird way of looking at it long term:
> > >> >> > > >> > 1. Passive:  Door locks and windows are passive security.
> > One
> > >> time
> > >> >> > > cost
> > >> >> > > >> > plus infrequent replacement.
> > >> >> > > >> > 2. Active:  Home firewall/DLP/whatever that actively burns
> > >> >> Watt/hrs
> > >> >> > > >> > constantly which must be constantly updated against new
> > threats
> > >> >> > > >> > 3? Aggressive:  Due to the rapidly increasing rate of
> > change,
> > >> in
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> > > >> future
> > >> >> > > >> > will we have to install things that actively, preemptively
> > hunt
> > >> >> down
> > >> >> > > >> > threats, or fund some company or agency that does that for
> > us?
> > >> >> > > >> >
> > >> >> > > >> > If the internet ever gets fixed via to aggressive,
> knee-jerk
> > >> >> > > >> overreactions,
> > >> >> > > >> > it might really, really suck.
> > >> >> > > >> >
> > >> >> > > >> > I probably need to step away from the keyboard for a bit
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