[Cialug] Home DLP, Anyone?

Tue May 6 14:00:13 CDT 2014

I may still have some old C64 5.25" floppies that I used a hole punch to
make them double-sided. I'm sure they probably wouldn't work.

-dc

On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:

> I still have a box of 8in floppies and iirc, one of them has cp/m on it.
>
> :) Dave
>
> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Tim Wilson <tim_linux at wilson-home.com>
> wrote:
> > In a pinch, I've used a knife and another floppy as the template, but the
> > punch did make it easier.  Primarily, this was for turning single-sided
> > floppies into double-sided.  Remember SSDD or DSDD?  Wow, how times have
> > changed.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I used a paper punch.
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>  Anyone else ever own a punch for 5 1/4“ floppies?
> >> >
> >> > /me raises hand
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:17 PM, jim kraai <jimgkraai at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Physical read-only switches on hardware storage devices would help
> with
> >> >> that, also.
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyone else ever own a punch for 5 1/4“ floppies?
> >> >> On May 6, 2014 12:53 PM, <j.bengtson at mchsi.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > If we didn't need to persist SOME data, we could just use a live CD
> >> and
> >> >> > reboot every couple of hours or so.  You don't have to worrry so
> much
> >> >> about
> >> >> > viruses, worms, and other miscellaneous malware because they're
> gone
> >> when
> >> >> > you reboot.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > From: jim kraai
> >> >> > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> >> >> > Sent: Tue, 6 May 2014 11:57:36 -0500 (CDT)
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Home DLP, Anyone?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have relatives, a couple, who have explicitly, intentionally done
> >> what
> >> >> > you suggested on the, arguably flawed, assumption that they have
> >> nothing
> >> >> to
> >> >> > hide and nothing worth stealing.  They now pay best buy $300/yr on
> >> some
> >> >> > blanket security/repair plan, $100+/yr on cloud backup, and I spend
> >> about
> >> >> > 50 hrs/yr helping them deal with the problems that aren't covered
> by
> >> the
> >> >> > commercial services
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So, that's my current mental model for how wanton neglect benefits
> >> normal
> >> >> > users.
> >> >> > On May 6, 2014 11:42 AM, "Dave Hala"  wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > My day job is fairly dull this time of year, so I guess you could
> >> say
> >> >> > > those thoughts are born of boredom.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > :) Dave
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 11:25 AM, jim kraai  wrote:
> >> >> > > > If that was very zen or sarcastic, I get it :-)
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > I remember an old sci-fi story about a world that was polluted
> >> with
> >> >> > > > quadrillions of little surveillance lense/transmitter things.
> >>  There
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > > no
> >> >> > > > way to tell who produced a given lens or even whether one was
> of
> >> >> > civilian
> >> >> > > > or commercial origin.  The protagonist struggled with the
> problem
> >> of
> >> >> > > > keeping all of them out of his house, meticulously vacuuming,
> >> etc.,
> >> >> > > > spending a significant portion of his time and resources on the
> >> >> > problem.
> >> >> > > > In the way that such stories end, he finally gave up and dove
> >> into a
> >> >> > > > swimming pool sized pile of them.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > You raise a good point.  Who's paying you to say such things?
> >>  Does
> >> >> it
> >> >> > at
> >> >> > > > least pay the mortgage?  :-)
> >> >> > > >  On May 6, 2014 11:09 AM, "Dave Hala"  wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >> Try approaching the problem from a different perspective, by
> >> asking
> >> >> > > >> the question: What If do nothing? or What if I do the same
> thing
> >> as
> >> >> > > >> everyone else?
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> (I'm *not* suggesting doing nothing.)
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> :) Dave
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:57 AM, jim kraai  wrote:
> >> >> > > >> > This email contains fever-induced, half-baked thoughts.
> Proceed
> >> >> with
> >> >> > > >> > caution.
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
> http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/05/06/1343210/anti-virus-is-dead-but-still-makes-money-says-symantec(uh
> >> >> > > >> ,
> >> >> > > >> > I guess I'm obligated to say, "Slashdot sux" or something
> like
> >> >> that)
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> > The piece says "Meanwhile, other security firms including
> >> FireEye,
> >> >> > > >> RedSocks
> >> >> > > >> > and Imperva are casting doubt on AV, suggesting a focus on
> data
> >> >> loss
> >> >> > > >> > prevention might be better."
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> > I used to work at a DLP company.
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> > I came to view DLP is an interesting, but terribly
> ineffective
> >> >> > thing.
> >> >> > > >> > Rather, it's effective against terribly naive
> agents/hackers.
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> > What's the general consensus here on using DLP as a way to
> >> secure
> >> >> > home
> >> >> > > >> and
> >> >> > > >> > small business networks?
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> > Here's a weird way of looking at it long term:
> >> >> > > >> > 1. Passive:  Door locks and windows are passive security.
> One
> >> time
> >> >> > > cost
> >> >> > > >> > plus infrequent replacement.
> >> >> > > >> > 2. Active:  Home firewall/DLP/whatever that actively burns
> >> >> Watt/hrs
> >> >> > > >> > constantly which must be constantly updated against new
> threats
> >> >> > > >> > 3? Aggressive:  Due to the rapidly increasing rate of
> change,
> >> in
> >> >> the
> >> >> > > >> future
> >> >> > > >> > will we have to install things that actively, preemptively
> hunt
> >> >> down
> >> >> > > >> > threats, or fund some company or agency that does that for
> us?
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> > If the internet ever gets fixed via to aggressive, knee-jerk
> >> >> > > >> overreactions,
> >> >> > > >> > it might really, really suck.
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> > I probably need to step away from the keyboard for a bit
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