[Cialug] Home DLP, Anyone?

Tue May 6 13:54:02 CDT 2014

I still have a box of 8in floppies and iirc, one of them has cp/m on it.

:) Dave

On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Tim Wilson <tim_linux at wilson-home.com> wrote:
> In a pinch, I've used a knife and another floppy as the template, but the
> punch did make it easier.  Primarily, this was for turning single-sided
> floppies into double-sided.  Remember SSDD or DSDD?  Wow, how times have
> changed.
>
>
> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
>
>> I used a paper punch.
>>
>> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com> wrote:
>> >>  Anyone else ever own a punch for 5 1/4“ floppies?
>> >
>> > /me raises hand
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:17 PM, jim kraai <jimgkraai at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Physical read-only switches on hardware storage devices would help with
>> >> that, also.
>> >>
>> >> Anyone else ever own a punch for 5 1/4“ floppies?
>> >> On May 6, 2014 12:53 PM, <j.bengtson at mchsi.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > If we didn't need to persist SOME data, we could just use a live CD
>> and
>> >> > reboot every couple of hours or so.  You don't have to worrry so much
>> >> about
>> >> > viruses, worms, and other miscellaneous malware because they're gone
>> when
>> >> > you reboot.
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: jim kraai
>> >> > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
>> >> > Sent: Tue, 6 May 2014 11:57:36 -0500 (CDT)
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Home DLP, Anyone?
>> >> >
>> >> > I have relatives, a couple, who have explicitly, intentionally done
>> what
>> >> > you suggested on the, arguably flawed, assumption that they have
>> nothing
>> >> to
>> >> > hide and nothing worth stealing.  They now pay best buy $300/yr on
>> some
>> >> > blanket security/repair plan, $100+/yr on cloud backup, and I spend
>> about
>> >> > 50 hrs/yr helping them deal with the problems that aren't covered by
>> the
>> >> > commercial services
>> >> >
>> >> > So, that's my current mental model for how wanton neglect benefits
>> normal
>> >> > users.
>> >> > On May 6, 2014 11:42 AM, "Dave Hala"  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > My day job is fairly dull this time of year, so I guess you could
>> say
>> >> > > those thoughts are born of boredom.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > :) Dave
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 11:25 AM, jim kraai  wrote:
>> >> > > > If that was very zen or sarcastic, I get it :-)
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I remember an old sci-fi story about a world that was polluted
>> with
>> >> > > > quadrillions of little surveillance lense/transmitter things.
>>  There
>> >> > was
>> >> > > no
>> >> > > > way to tell who produced a given lens or even whether one was of
>> >> > civilian
>> >> > > > or commercial origin.  The protagonist struggled with the problem
>> of
>> >> > > > keeping all of them out of his house, meticulously vacuuming,
>> etc.,
>> >> > > > spending a significant portion of his time and resources on the
>> >> > problem.
>> >> > > > In the way that such stories end, he finally gave up and dove
>> into a
>> >> > > > swimming pool sized pile of them.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > You raise a good point.  Who's paying you to say such things?
>>  Does
>> >> it
>> >> > at
>> >> > > > least pay the mortgage?  :-)
>> >> > > >  On May 6, 2014 11:09 AM, "Dave Hala"  wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >> Try approaching the problem from a different perspective, by
>> asking
>> >> > > >> the question: What If do nothing? or What if I do the same thing
>> as
>> >> > > >> everyone else?
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> (I'm *not* suggesting doing nothing.)
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> :) Dave
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:57 AM, jim kraai  wrote:
>> >> > > >> > This email contains fever-induced, half-baked thoughts. Proceed
>> >> with
>> >> > > >> > caution.
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/05/06/1343210/anti-virus-is-dead-but-still-makes-money-says-symantec(uh
>> >> > > >> ,
>> >> > > >> > I guess I'm obligated to say, "Slashdot sux" or something like
>> >> that)
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > The piece says "Meanwhile, other security firms including
>> FireEye,
>> >> > > >> RedSocks
>> >> > > >> > and Imperva are casting doubt on AV, suggesting a focus on data
>> >> loss
>> >> > > >> > prevention might be better."
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > I used to work at a DLP company.
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > I came to view DLP is an interesting, but terribly ineffective
>> >> > thing.
>> >> > > >> > Rather, it's effective against terribly naive agents/hackers.
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > What's the general consensus here on using DLP as a way to
>> secure
>> >> > home
>> >> > > >> and
>> >> > > >> > small business networks?
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > Here's a weird way of looking at it long term:
>> >> > > >> > 1. Passive:  Door locks and windows are passive security. One
>> time
>> >> > > cost
>> >> > > >> > plus infrequent replacement.
>> >> > > >> > 2. Active:  Home firewall/DLP/whatever that actively burns
>> >> Watt/hrs
>> >> > > >> > constantly which must be constantly updated against new threats
>> >> > > >> > 3? Aggressive:  Due to the rapidly increasing rate of change,
>> in
>> >> the
>> >> > > >> future
>> >> > > >> > will we have to install things that actively, preemptively hunt
>> >> down
>> >> > > >> > threats, or fund some company or agency that does that for us?
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > If the internet ever gets fixed via to aggressive, knee-jerk
>> >> > > >> overreactions,
>> >> > > >> > it might really, really suck.
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > I probably need to step away from the keyboard for a bit
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