[Cialug] Home DLP, Anyone?

Tue May 6 16:51:05 CDT 2014

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-dc

On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Tim Wilson <tim_linux at wilson-home.com>wrote:

> Does one of the floppies contain your mortal enemy list?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SczxwCSt1F8
>
>
> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 2:00 PM, David Champion <dchamp1337 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I may still have some old C64 5.25" floppies that I used a hole punch to
> > make them double-sided. I'm sure they probably wouldn't work.
> >
> > -dc
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I still have a box of 8in floppies and iirc, one of them has cp/m on
> it.
> > >
> > > :) Dave
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Tim Wilson <tim_linux at wilson-home.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > In a pinch, I've used a knife and another floppy as the template, but
> > the
> > > > punch did make it easier.  Primarily, this was for turning
> single-sided
> > > > floppies into double-sided.  Remember SSDD or DSDD?  Wow, how times
> > have
> > > > changed.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I used a paper punch.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> >>  Anyone else ever own a punch for 5 1/4“ floppies?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > /me raises hand
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:17 PM, jim kraai <jimgkraai at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> Physical read-only switches on hardware storage devices would
> help
> > > with
> > > >> >> that, also.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Anyone else ever own a punch for 5 1/4“ floppies?
> > > >> >> On May 6, 2014 12:53 PM, <j.bengtson at mchsi.com> wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> > If we didn't need to persist SOME data, we could just use a
> live
> > CD
> > > >> and
> > > >> >> > reboot every couple of hours or so.  You don't have to worrry
> so
> > > much
> > > >> >> about
> > > >> >> > viruses, worms, and other miscellaneous malware because they're
> > > gone
> > > >> when
> > > >> >> > you reboot.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> >> > From: jim kraai
> > > >> >> > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> > > >> >> > Sent: Tue, 6 May 2014 11:57:36 -0500 (CDT)
> > > >> >> > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Home DLP, Anyone?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > I have relatives, a couple, who have explicitly, intentionally
> > done
> > > >> what
> > > >> >> > you suggested on the, arguably flawed, assumption that they
> have
> > > >> nothing
> > > >> >> to
> > > >> >> > hide and nothing worth stealing.  They now pay best buy $300/yr
> > on
> > > >> some
> > > >> >> > blanket security/repair plan, $100+/yr on cloud backup, and I
> > spend
> > > >> about
> > > >> >> > 50 hrs/yr helping them deal with the problems that aren't
> covered
> > > by
> > > >> the
> > > >> >> > commercial services
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > So, that's my current mental model for how wanton neglect
> > benefits
> > > >> normal
> > > >> >> > users.
> > > >> >> > On May 6, 2014 11:42 AM, "Dave Hala"  wrote:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > > My day job is fairly dull this time of year, so I guess you
> > could
> > > >> say
> > > >> >> > > those thoughts are born of boredom.
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > > :) Dave
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 11:25 AM, jim kraai  wrote:
> > > >> >> > > > If that was very zen or sarcastic, I get it :-)
> > > >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> > > > I remember an old sci-fi story about a world that was
> > polluted
> > > >> with
> > > >> >> > > > quadrillions of little surveillance lense/transmitter
> things.
> > > >>  There
> > > >> >> > was
> > > >> >> > > no
> > > >> >> > > > way to tell who produced a given lens or even whether one
> was
> > > of
> > > >> >> > civilian
> > > >> >> > > > or commercial origin.  The protagonist struggled with the
> > > problem
> > > >> of
> > > >> >> > > > keeping all of them out of his house, meticulously
> vacuuming,
> > > >> etc.,
> > > >> >> > > > spending a significant portion of his time and resources on
> > the
> > > >> >> > problem.
> > > >> >> > > > In the way that such stories end, he finally gave up and
> dove
> > > >> into a
> > > >> >> > > > swimming pool sized pile of them.
> > > >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> > > > You raise a good point.  Who's paying you to say such
> things?
> > > >>  Does
> > > >> >> it
> > > >> >> > at
> > > >> >> > > > least pay the mortgage?  :-)
> > > >> >> > > >  On May 6, 2014 11:09 AM, "Dave Hala"  wrote:
> > > >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> > > >> Try approaching the problem from a different perspective,
> by
> > > >> asking
> > > >> >> > > >> the question: What If do nothing? or What if I do the same
> > > thing
> > > >> as
> > > >> >> > > >> everyone else?
> > > >> >> > > >>
> > > >> >> > > >> (I'm *not* suggesting doing nothing.)
> > > >> >> > > >>
> > > >> >> > > >> :) Dave
> > > >> >> > > >>
> > > >> >> > > >> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:57 AM, jim kraai  wrote:
> > > >> >> > > >> > This email contains fever-induced, half-baked thoughts.
> > > Proceed
> > > >> >> with
> > > >> >> > > >> > caution.
> > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > >> >> > > >>
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/05/06/1343210/anti-virus-is-dead-but-still-makes-money-says-symantec(uh
> > > >> >> > > >> ,
> > > >> >> > > >> > I guess I'm obligated to say, "Slashdot sux" or
> something
> > > like
> > > >> >> that)
> > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > >> >> > > >> > The piece says "Meanwhile, other security firms
> including
> > > >> FireEye,
> > > >> >> > > >> RedSocks
> > > >> >> > > >> > and Imperva are casting doubt on AV, suggesting a focus
> on
> > > data
> > > >> >> loss
> > > >> >> > > >> > prevention might be better."
> > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > >> >> > > >> > I used to work at a DLP company.
> > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > >> >> > > >> > I came to view DLP is an interesting, but terribly
> > > ineffective
> > > >> >> > thing.
> > > >> >> > > >> > Rather, it's effective against terribly naive
> > > agents/hackers.
> > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > >> >> > > >> > What's the general consensus here on using DLP as a way
> to
> > > >> secure
> > > >> >> > home
> > > >> >> > > >> and
> > > >> >> > > >> > small business networks?
> > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > >> >> > > >> > Here's a weird way of looking at it long term:
> > > >> >> > > >> > 1. Passive:  Door locks and windows are passive
> security.
> > > One
> > > >> time
> > > >> >> > > cost
> > > >> >> > > >> > plus infrequent replacement.
> > > >> >> > > >> > 2. Active:  Home firewall/DLP/whatever that actively
> burns
> > > >> >> Watt/hrs
> > > >> >> > > >> > constantly which must be constantly updated against new
> > > threats
> > > >> >> > > >> > 3? Aggressive:  Due to the rapidly increasing rate of
> > > change,
> > > >> in
> > > >> >> the
> > > >> >> > > >> future
> > > >> >> > > >> > will we have to install things that actively,
> preemptively
> > > hunt
> > > >> >> down
> > > >> >> > > >> > threats, or fund some company or agency that does that
> for
> > > us?
> > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > >> >> > > >> > If the internet ever gets fixed via to aggressive,
> > knee-jerk
> > > >> >> > > >> overreactions,
> > > >> >> > > >> > it might really, really suck.
> > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > >> >> > > >> > I probably need to step away from the keyboard for a bit
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