[Cialug]voip

Wed Dec 5 12:09:02 CST 2007

As evidenced by the earlier part of the discussion, there's a few reasons 
including a more expensive network to operate and laws that support the 
higher prices. There are other obligations like provider of last resort 
that says if you are 25 miles out from town and order a telephone line, 
they have to provide it. There's some parts of Des Moines and West Des 
Moines that don't even get cable yet.

I don't completely support the Bell pricing model, especially for features 
like 3way calling and caller ID. There are hard costs to provide caller ID 
name, the phone switch you are serviced from has to ask a database what 
the name that corresponds to the number is. The switch that serves my 
house has had 108,759,897 minutes of usage this month so far. If you 
figure it at 15 minutes per call, that's 7,250,660 calls. Estimate 1/3 of 
them are inbound, putting it at 2,392,718 inbound calls. If 25% are from 
another telephone company (incumbent like Iowa Telecom or competitive like 
McLeod) that leaves 598,179 calls in 5 days that require them to look up 
the name and incur a cost. I think the cost per lookup is around $0.001 so 
that would be $600 for five days so far. That's just one office.

dave

On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, neal daringer wrote:

> my point is that i never have serious enough power outage that i cant deal 
> with it. if there is that serious enough of a power outage, then so be it. in 
> the long run i save far more money not paying for sub-par service.
>
> POTS is just that "plain OLD telephone service". and it will remain that way 
> until the bells lose the capitalist greed bugle and start providing better 
> cost to service business. i don't see why i should pay $44.99/month for 
> unlimited local and long distance. thats what a cell phone should cost. and 
> to top that off why is long distance considered a seperate service still?? 
> with the ability to use IP for telecommunications, why is it still costing so 
> much? and why are features (caller id, call waiting, etc)always extra from 
> bell companies?
>
> i know i know the answer i will pry get at first is "because they can turn a 
> larger profit and no serious compitition". so lets hear some other arguments.
>
> Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
>> That was my point. Cheaper to use POTS than to try and "cover" the
>> faults of the cable companies.
>> 
>> As much as I like to take shots at the phone companies, they are hands
>> down better at reliability than the cable companies.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 16:35 +0000, jaybabel at mchsi.com wrote:
>> 
>>> I thought the original question was about home service.  I guess all
>>> these generators and UPS systems in the backyard cut down on mowing in
>>> the summer but it seems like overkill.  I just have a POTS line.
>>>         -------------- Original message from "Dave J. Hala Jr."
>>>         <dave at 58ghz.net>: --------------                         > Ditch 
>>> the diesel generator. Switch an lp/hydrogen
>>>         generator.         >         > For $15,000 you can have a 1.8 
>>> megawatt wind generator with
>>>         the         > inverter, 50ft tower and the electronics to tie it 
>>> the grid
>>>         at 240vac.         > Compliment that with a $26,000 solar array 
>>> and a $15,000
>>>         hydrogen         > generator. Get $5,000 worth the marine 
>>> batteries.         >         > Instead of hooking it to the grid and 
>>> thereby subsidizing
>>>         your local         > coal burning power plant, build your own 
>>> little power grid
>>>         to power your         > stuff. Use the excess electricity to 
>>> charge the batteries
>>>         and to produce         > hydrogen. Store the hydrogen in an lp 
>>> tank. When there's no
>>>         sun, use         > the hydrogen to run the generator. You can also 
>>> use the
>>>         hydrogen to heat         > your house.         > ;         > This 
>>> way the only thing you have to worry about is a lawn
>>>         mower running         > over the coax cable that mediacom laid on 
>>> the ground from
>>>         the pole to         > the house.         >         >         > :) 
>>> Dave         >         > On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 09:55 -0600, Jeffrey Ollie 
>>> wrote:         > > On 12/5/07, neal daringer wrote:         > > > 
>>> > > > if all else fails, just use a CB radio.         > >         > > And 
>>> don't forget to store a generator and a spare set of
>>>         radio         > > equipment inside a Faraday cage to protect 
>>> against those
>>>         nasty EMP         > > pulses. And you probably need to buy some 
>>> gear to produce
>>>         biodiesel         > > too since you probably can't count on fuel 
>>> trucks coming
>>>         by to fill up         > > your diesel tank.         > >         > 
>>> > ;)         > >         > > Jeff         > > 
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