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[neal daringer]

wouldn't it be smarter for a company to cache caller id information, so 
they don't have to pay that $0.001 every call?


Dave Weis wrote:
>
> As evidenced by the earlier part of the discussion, there's a few 
> reasons including a more expensive network to operate and laws that 
> support the higher prices. There are other obligations like provider 
> of last resort that says if you are 25 miles out from town and order a 
> telephone line, they have to provide it. There's some parts of Des 
> Moines and West Des Moines that don't even get cable yet.
>
> I don't completely support the Bell pricing model, especially for 
> features like 3way calling and caller ID. There are hard costs to 
> provide caller ID name, the phone switch you are serviced from has to 
> ask a database what the name that corresponds to the number is. The 
> switch that serves my house has had 108,759,897 minutes of usage this 
> month so far. If you figure it at 15 minutes per call, that's 
> 7,250,660 calls. Estimate 1/3 of them are inbound, putting it at 
> 2,392,718 inbound calls. If 25% are from another telephone company 
> (incumbent like Iowa Telecom or competitive like McLeod) that leaves 
> 598,179 calls in 5 days that require them to look up the name and 
> incur a cost. I think the cost per lookup is around $0.001 so that 
> would be $600 for five days so far. That's just one office.
>
> dave
>
> On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, neal daringer wrote:
>
>> my point is that i never have serious enough power outage that i cant 
>> deal with it. if there is that serious enough of a power outage, then 
>> so be it. in the long run i save far more money not paying for 
>> sub-par service.
>>
>> POTS is just that "plain OLD telephone service". and it will remain 
>> that way until the bells lose the capitalist greed bugle and start 
>> providing better cost to service business. i don't see why i should 
>> pay $44.99/month for unlimited local and long distance. thats what a 
>> cell phone should cost. and to top that off why is long distance 
>> considered a seperate service still?? with the ability to use IP for 
>> telecommunications, why is it still costing so much? and why are 
>> features (caller id, call waiting, etc)always extra from bell companies?
>>
>> i know i know the answer i will pry get at first is "because they can 
>> turn a larger profit and no serious compitition". so lets hear some 
>> other arguments.
>>
>> Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
>>> That was my point. Cheaper to use POTS than to try and "cover" the
>>> faults of the cable companies.
>>>
>>> As much as I like to take shots at the phone companies, they are hands
>>> down better at reliability than the cable companies.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 16:35 +0000, jaybabel at mchsi.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought the original question was about home service.  I guess all
>>>> these generators and UPS systems in the backyard cut down on mowing in
>>>> the summer but it seems like overkill.  I just have a POTS line.
>>>>         -------------- Original message from "Dave J. Hala Jr."
>>>>         <dave at 58ghz.net>: --------------                         > 
>>>> Ditch the diesel generator. Switch an lp/hydrogen
>>>>         generator.         >         > For $15,000 you can have a 
>>>> 1.8 megawatt wind generator with
>>>>         the         > inverter, 50ft tower and the electronics to 
>>>> tie it the grid
>>>>         at 240vac.         > Compliment that with a $26,000 solar 
>>>> array and a $15,000
>>>>         hydrogen         > generator. Get $5,000 worth the marine 
>>>> batteries.         >         > Instead of hooking it to the grid 
>>>> and thereby subsidizing
>>>>         your local         > coal burning power plant, build your 
>>>> own little power grid
>>>>         to power your         > stuff. Use the excess electricity 
>>>> to charge the batteries
>>>>         and to produce         > hydrogen. Store the hydrogen in an 
>>>> lp tank. When there's no
>>>>         sun, use         > the hydrogen to run the generator. You 
>>>> can also use the
>>>>         hydrogen to heat         > your house.         > ;         
>>>> > This way the only thing you have to worry about is a lawn
>>>>         mower running         > over the coax cable that mediacom 
>>>> laid on the ground from
>>>>         the pole to         > the house.         >         
>>>> >         > :) Dave         >         > On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 09:55 
>>>> -0600, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:         > > On 12/5/07, neal daringer 
>>>> wrote:         > > > > > > if all else fails, just use a CB 
>>>> radio.         > >         > > And don't forget to store a 
>>>> generator and a spare set of
>>>>         radio         > > equipment inside a Faraday cage to 
>>>> protect against those
>>>>         nasty EMP         > > pulses. And you probably need to buy 
>>>> some gear to produce
>>>>         biodiesel         > > too since you probably can't count on 
>>>> fuel trucks coming
>>>>         by to fill up         > > your diesel tank.         > 
>>>> >         > > ;)         > >         > > Jeff         > > 
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