[Cialug] Asterisk, IAXYs and IAX (was Des Moines Area ISPs)
Dave J. Hala Jr.
cialug@cialug.org
Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:31:54 -0500
It just depends on how you lay it and how big your cells are...
I really think it can done - on a small to medium sized scale...
On Thu, 2005-04-14 at 11:23, Tom Pohl wrote:
> LOL yeah, just like that ;)
>
> The problem with WDS is that with each hop, you cut the bandwidth in
> half because it's not a full-duplex radio. By the time you get 4-5
> hops away you're sharing a whopping straw that makes dialup look good
> ;)
>
> -Tom
>
> On Apr 14, 2005, at 11:09 AM, Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
>
> > Get an 802.11b voip phone. Get a bunch of linksys wrtg's running the
> > sveasoft software using wds on them, and connect it all back to
> > asterisk. Poof! You're now voip cell phone coop.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2005-04-14 at 10:58, Dave Weis wrote:
> >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Jonathan Bailey wrote:
> >>> 1. Hardware. You'd be looking at a 2Ghz-ish box with at least a gig
> >>> of
> >>> memory.
> >>> 2. Bandwidth. Marshallnet - I think they have some to spare :-D
> >>> Don't know
> >>> if it would be at the colo rate or what.
> >>> 3. Termination/local DIDs - probably get a fractional T1 from qwest,
> >>> but can
> >>> you get DSM DIDs in Marshalltown, etc?
> >>> 4. LD - Probably go through IAXtel or similar - ~2cents/min or so, I
> >>> think.
> >>
> >> The box wouldn't have to be quite that beefy but probably close. I
> >> will
> >> offer the service if we have enough people pre signup. Monthly cost
> >> will
> >> be about $750 for me to do it including the qwest circuit and getting
> >> it
> >> to my location.
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On
> >>> Behalf Of
> >>> Nathan C. Smith
> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:25 AM
> >>> To: 'cialug@cialug.org'
> >>> Subject: RE: [Cialug] Asterisk, IAXYs and IAX (was Des Moines Area
> >>> ISPs)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So how would an asterisk Coop work? We would need:
> >>> a machine,
> >>> a place to host it
> >>> Internet bandwidth with necessary room and/or QoS a small race of
> >>> elf-like
> >>> genius computer operators to manage it.
> >>>
> >>> People could get individual accounts from companies like voicepulse
> >>> or
> >>> Nufone and just host them on the box, that could make it easy to
> >>> skirt
> >>> billing issues. What codecs would we allow, what protocols to
> >>> connect? IAX
> >>> and/or SIP? (forgone conclusion: no h.323!).
> >>>
> >>> There is a new version of the IAXy out, I don't know if the firmware
> >>> is any
> >>> different (improved) or not. I have one of the netweb phones loaded
> >>> with
> >>> IAX, it works fine too, but you cannot configure it with multiple
> >>> hosts like
> >>> you can the IAXy. BTW, if you use Windows there is a really good
> >>> IAXy
> >>> provisioning tool available.
> >>>
> >>> Pulvers' thing is Bellster - I know the name changed, but I can't
> >>> think of
> >>> it right now either.
> >>>
> >>> The IAXY's are kind of overpriced when you compare them to the
> >>> capabilities
> >>> of a Sipura 2000, but the Sipura's only support SIP at this time.
> >>>
> >>> -Nate
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Tom Pohl [mailto:tom@tcpconsulting.com]
> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:46 AM
> >>> To: cialug@cialug.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Des Moines Area ISPs
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I agree on the whole co-op asterisk thing! Actually, there's a
> >>> project
> >>> that Jeff Pulver started to do just that sort of thing on a national
> >>> or
> >>> international scale. I can't remember the name at the moment.
> >>>
> >>> I really like my iaxy's I've setup about 5 of them with great
> >>> success
> >>> with all of them. The best part is that there are no NAT woes with
> >>> them! One of my iaxy's I bridge to the wireless network so I can
> >>> have
> >>> an extension in a room that otherwise has no phone options.
> >>>
> >>> The only thing that concerns me is that there is absolutely no
> >>> security
> >>> on the device. Anyone on the local network can re-provision it!
> >>> Maybe
> >>> it's more secure if you setup iaxy provisioning from asterisk, but
> >>> I've
> >>> never tried. I use them both on local networks as well as over the
> >>> internet just fine!
> >>>
> >>> One of my business partners keeps his at his store on a mediacom
> >>> connection and the pbx is on a dsl line and it works great! I've
> >>> also
> >>> trunked the business pbx to my home pbx for my extensions and have it
> >>> roll out to my cell phone if I'm not reached on the VOIP network.
> >>>
> >>> -Tom
> >>>
> >>> On Apr 14, 2005, at 9:02 AM, Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It's kind of silly that so many people in our group are throwing
> >>>> their
> >>>> money
> >>>> at Vonage when we could do so some kind of a co-op thing with
> >>>> Asterisk.
> >>>> There are several outbound services like nufone that let you keep an
> >>>> account
> >>>> balance and bill it as you use the minutes, a much less expensive
> >>>> proposition than Vonage. We just need a provider like *cough*
> >>>> Internetsolver who could provide inbound DIDs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tom, what has your experience with the IAXy been like? I've had
> >>>> mixed
> >>>> results with the one I've tried, using it in a DHCP environment.
> >>>>
> >>>> Freese-notis is also busy exploring VOIP and hopes to terminate DIDs
> >>>> in the
> >>>> future.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Nate
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Tom Pohl [mailto:tom@tcpconsulting.com]
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:45 AM
> >>>> To: cialug@cialug.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Des Moines Area ISPs
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> It's a shame that vonage aren't asterisk friendly on your first
> >>>> line.
> >>>>
> >>>> In my house, I use a mix of grandstream budgetone phones
> >>>> (http://grandstream.com/y-bt100.htm) and Digium's iaxy's connected
> >>>> to
> >>>> normal phones (http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=iaxy) to talk to
> >>>> my asterisk pbx.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've used VoicePulse's connect service
> >>>> (http://connect.voicepulse.com/) to get an inbound DID, but
> >>>> unfortunately, they don't have any Iowa numbers yet.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Tom
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Apr 13, 2005, at 8:26 PM, n00b wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> you can have 2 seperate lines on my adapter (linksys pap2). check
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> configuration of whatever device you get as to how many lines it
> >>>>> supports.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> i have all the phones in my house on the same line on my pap2. this
> >>>>> was easy for me (sine i have cable). with cable, you just
> >>>>> disconnect
> >>>>> qwests lines from your phone network terminal outside, getting rid
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> any voltage that could be coming in from them, then plug a cord
> >>>>> into
> >>>>> your phone adapter and the other end into a wall jack. any phone
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> was on the same line as that jack should have dialtone. with dsl
> >>>>> i'm
> >>>>> not sure how you'd do
> >>>>> this same setup except for running new phone wires everywhere in
> >>>>> your
> >>>>> home. i use a cordless so its kinda like the benifit of wifi. no
> >>>>> need
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> run extra wires.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> hope this helps. if you want a more through explanation on how to
> >>>>> do
> >>>>> a better setup look in vonages help pages.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> neal
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: "Alan Maupin" <alan.maupin@mchsi.com>
> >>>>> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
> >>>>> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:09:37 -0500
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [Cialug] Des Moines Area ISPs
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Jon, -- how do I setup two phone's on Vonage, up and down stairs?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've been looking into getting Vonage to replace Quest phone
> >>>>>> service. At first glance it looks very good with all of the free
> >>>>>> options such as 3-way calling and the email/phone integration.
> >>>>>> The
> >>>>>> problem I've run into is
> >>>>>> having a phone setup on the first and second floor of my home.
> >>>>>> According to
> >>>>>> the Vonage representative I can only use one broadband phone
> >>>>>> adapter
> >>>>>> per
> >>>>>> phone line since it involves the mac address of the phone
> >>>>>> adapter. I
> >>>>>> would
> >>>>>> connect the phone adapter to my router upstairs and connect a
> >>>>>> phone
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> it.
> >>>>>> The problem is how do I connect my phone downstairs?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On
> >>>>>> Behalf Of Bailey, Jonathan C
> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:41 PM
> >>>>>> To: cialug@cialug.org
> >>>>>> Subject: RE: [Cialug] Des Moines Area ISPs
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If the DSL kept going out whenever your phone rings, that usually
> >>>>>> means you
> >>>>>> aren't using filters.. Had that with a local business..
> >>>>>> Embarassing
> >>>>>> call to
> >>>>>> tech support..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As for VoIP, I'm switching to Vonage to keep my local number when
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> move. Just waiting to see if Qwest will switch me to standalone
> >>>>>> DSL
> >>>>>> or just disconnect me completely when the LNP is done.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jon
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On
> >>>>>> Behalf
> >>>>>> Of Tim Perdue
> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:37 PM
> >>>>>> To: cialug@cialug.org
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Des Moines Area ISPs
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> timwilson011@mchsi.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> Mediacom, basically because that's what I signed up with 4+ years
> >>>>>> ago. At
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>>> time, DSL couldn't give the bandwidth cable could. It still
> >>>>>>> can't,
> >>>>>> but it
> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>>> much better than it used to be. I've been toying with the idea
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>> switching to
> >>>>>>> DSL (and InternetSolver), but just haven't been pushed (read:
> >>>>>>> pissed
> >>>>>> off)
> >>>>>> enough
> >>>>>>> I guess.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I wonder whatever happened to multiple ISPs on cable...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I had really good luck with Mediacom for ~4 years, but switched to
> >>>>>> DSL (freese notis) so I could have a fixed IP and servers online.
> >>>>>> VOIP seems to be happier with DSL too. The cable modem network
> >>>>>> apparently has no UPS anywhere, as it is offline as soon as your
> >>>>>> house lights dim.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> DSL was going offline a lot whenever the phone would ring, but I
> >>>>>> finally just canceled the phone service and it works fine now.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tim
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