[Cialug] Asterisk, IAXYs and IAX (was Des Moines Area ISPs)
Tom Pohl
cialug@cialug.org
Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:23:48 -0500
LOL yeah, just like that ;)
The problem with WDS is that with each hop, you cut the bandwidth in
half because it's not a full-duplex radio. By the time you get 4-5
hops away you're sharing a whopping straw that makes dialup look good
;)
-Tom
On Apr 14, 2005, at 11:09 AM, Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
> Get an 802.11b voip phone. Get a bunch of linksys wrtg's running the
> sveasoft software using wds on them, and connect it all back to
> asterisk. Poof! You're now voip cell phone coop.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2005-04-14 at 10:58, Dave Weis wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Jonathan Bailey wrote:
>>> 1. Hardware. You'd be looking at a 2Ghz-ish box with at least a gig
>>> of
>>> memory.
>>> 2. Bandwidth. Marshallnet - I think they have some to spare :-D
>>> Don't know
>>> if it would be at the colo rate or what.
>>> 3. Termination/local DIDs - probably get a fractional T1 from qwest,
>>> but can
>>> you get DSM DIDs in Marshalltown, etc?
>>> 4. LD - Probably go through IAXtel or similar - ~2cents/min or so, I
>>> think.
>>
>> The box wouldn't have to be quite that beefy but probably close. I
>> will
>> offer the service if we have enough people pre signup. Monthly cost
>> will
>> be about $750 for me to do it including the qwest circuit and getting
>> it
>> to my location.
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Nathan C. Smith
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:25 AM
>>> To: 'cialug@cialug.org'
>>> Subject: RE: [Cialug] Asterisk, IAXYs and IAX (was Des Moines Area
>>> ISPs)
>>>
>>>
>>> So how would an asterisk Coop work? We would need:
>>> a machine,
>>> a place to host it
>>> Internet bandwidth with necessary room and/or QoS a small race of
>>> elf-like
>>> genius computer operators to manage it.
>>>
>>> People could get individual accounts from companies like voicepulse
>>> or
>>> Nufone and just host them on the box, that could make it easy to
>>> skirt
>>> billing issues. What codecs would we allow, what protocols to
>>> connect? IAX
>>> and/or SIP? (forgone conclusion: no h.323!).
>>>
>>> There is a new version of the IAXy out, I don't know if the firmware
>>> is any
>>> different (improved) or not. I have one of the netweb phones loaded
>>> with
>>> IAX, it works fine too, but you cannot configure it with multiple
>>> hosts like
>>> you can the IAXy. BTW, if you use Windows there is a really good
>>> IAXy
>>> provisioning tool available.
>>>
>>> Pulvers' thing is Bellster - I know the name changed, but I can't
>>> think of
>>> it right now either.
>>>
>>> The IAXY's are kind of overpriced when you compare them to the
>>> capabilities
>>> of a Sipura 2000, but the Sipura's only support SIP at this time.
>>>
>>> -Nate
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tom Pohl [mailto:tom@tcpconsulting.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:46 AM
>>> To: cialug@cialug.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Des Moines Area ISPs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree on the whole co-op asterisk thing! Actually, there's a
>>> project
>>> that Jeff Pulver started to do just that sort of thing on a national
>>> or
>>> international scale. I can't remember the name at the moment.
>>>
>>> I really like my iaxy's I've setup about 5 of them with great
>>> success
>>> with all of them. The best part is that there are no NAT woes with
>>> them! One of my iaxy's I bridge to the wireless network so I can
>>> have
>>> an extension in a room that otherwise has no phone options.
>>>
>>> The only thing that concerns me is that there is absolutely no
>>> security
>>> on the device. Anyone on the local network can re-provision it!
>>> Maybe
>>> it's more secure if you setup iaxy provisioning from asterisk, but
>>> I've
>>> never tried. I use them both on local networks as well as over the
>>> internet just fine!
>>>
>>> One of my business partners keeps his at his store on a mediacom
>>> connection and the pbx is on a dsl line and it works great! I've
>>> also
>>> trunked the business pbx to my home pbx for my extensions and have it
>>> roll out to my cell phone if I'm not reached on the VOIP network.
>>>
>>> -Tom
>>>
>>> On Apr 14, 2005, at 9:02 AM, Nathan C. Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's kind of silly that so many people in our group are throwing
>>>> their
>>>> money
>>>> at Vonage when we could do so some kind of a co-op thing with
>>>> Asterisk.
>>>> There are several outbound services like nufone that let you keep an
>>>> account
>>>> balance and bill it as you use the minutes, a much less expensive
>>>> proposition than Vonage. We just need a provider like *cough*
>>>> Internetsolver who could provide inbound DIDs.
>>>>
>>>> Tom, what has your experience with the IAXy been like? I've had
>>>> mixed
>>>> results with the one I've tried, using it in a DHCP environment.
>>>>
>>>> Freese-notis is also busy exploring VOIP and hopes to terminate DIDs
>>>> in the
>>>> future.
>>>>
>>>> -Nate
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Tom Pohl [mailto:tom@tcpconsulting.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:45 AM
>>>> To: cialug@cialug.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Des Moines Area ISPs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's a shame that vonage aren't asterisk friendly on your first
>>>> line.
>>>>
>>>> In my house, I use a mix of grandstream budgetone phones
>>>> (http://grandstream.com/y-bt100.htm) and Digium's iaxy's connected
>>>> to
>>>> normal phones (http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=iaxy) to talk to
>>>> my asterisk pbx.
>>>>
>>>> I've used VoicePulse's connect service
>>>> (http://connect.voicepulse.com/) to get an inbound DID, but
>>>> unfortunately, they don't have any Iowa numbers yet.
>>>>
>>>> -Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 13, 2005, at 8:26 PM, n00b wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> you can have 2 seperate lines on my adapter (linksys pap2). check
>>>>> the
>>>>> configuration of whatever device you get as to how many lines it
>>>>> supports.
>>>>>
>>>>> i have all the phones in my house on the same line on my pap2. this
>>>>> was easy for me (sine i have cable). with cable, you just
>>>>> disconnect
>>>>> qwests lines from your phone network terminal outside, getting rid
>>>>> of
>>>>> any voltage that could be coming in from them, then plug a cord
>>>>> into
>>>>> your phone adapter and the other end into a wall jack. any phone
>>>>> that
>>>>> was on the same line as that jack should have dialtone. with dsl
>>>>> i'm
>>>>> not sure how you'd do
>>>>> this same setup except for running new phone wires everywhere in
>>>>> your
>>>>> home. i use a cordless so its kinda like the benifit of wifi. no
>>>>> need
>>>>> to
>>>>> run extra wires.
>>>>>
>>>>> hope this helps. if you want a more through explanation on how to
>>>>> do
>>>>> a better setup look in vonages help pages.
>>>>>
>>>>> neal
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: "Alan Maupin" <alan.maupin@mchsi.com>
>>>>> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
>>>>> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:09:37 -0500
>>>>> Subject: RE: [Cialug] Des Moines Area ISPs
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jon, -- how do I setup two phone's on Vonage, up and down stairs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been looking into getting Vonage to replace Quest phone
>>>>>> service. At first glance it looks very good with all of the free
>>>>>> options such as 3-way calling and the email/phone integration.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> problem I've run into is
>>>>>> having a phone setup on the first and second floor of my home.
>>>>>> According to
>>>>>> the Vonage representative I can only use one broadband phone
>>>>>> adapter
>>>>>> per
>>>>>> phone line since it involves the mac address of the phone
>>>>>> adapter. I
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> connect the phone adapter to my router upstairs and connect a
>>>>>> phone
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> The problem is how do I connect my phone downstairs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Bailey, Jonathan C
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:41 PM
>>>>>> To: cialug@cialug.org
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Cialug] Des Moines Area ISPs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the DSL kept going out whenever your phone rings, that usually
>>>>>> means you
>>>>>> aren't using filters.. Had that with a local business..
>>>>>> Embarassing
>>>>>> call to
>>>>>> tech support..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for VoIP, I'm switching to Vonage to keep my local number when
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> move. Just waiting to see if Qwest will switch me to standalone
>>>>>> DSL
>>>>>> or just disconnect me completely when the LNP is done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Tim Perdue
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:37 PM
>>>>>> To: cialug@cialug.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Des Moines Area ISPs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> timwilson011@mchsi.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Mediacom, basically because that's what I signed up with 4+ years
>>>>>> ago. At
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> time, DSL couldn't give the bandwidth cable could. It still
>>>>>>> can't,
>>>>>> but it
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> much better than it used to be. I've been toying with the idea
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>> switching to
>>>>>>> DSL (and InternetSolver), but just haven't been pushed (read:
>>>>>>> pissed
>>>>>> off)
>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>> I guess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder whatever happened to multiple ISPs on cable...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had really good luck with Mediacom for ~4 years, but switched to
>>>>>> DSL (freese notis) so I could have a fixed IP and servers online.
>>>>>> VOIP seems to be happier with DSL too. The cable modem network
>>>>>> apparently has no UPS anywhere, as it is offline as soon as your
>>>>>> house lights dim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DSL was going offline a lot whenever the phone would ring, but I
>>>>>> finally just canceled the phone service and it works fine now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim
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