[Cialug] OT: USB Issues

Wed Jul 6 22:23:53 UTC 2022

My understanding is that nVidia GPUs can be "made to work" for gaming on
Linux, while AMD GPUs "just work". Steam & AMD did a lot of work on the
open source AMD GPU drivers for the Steam Deck launch while nVidia is stuck
with the proprietary drivers.

I've got a couple of desktops with nVidia cards and I had to disable the
proprietary drivers because they were just too unstable. I don't really
game or do much with 3D so no big deal for me - the performance of the open
source nVidia drivers is good enough for me.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 4:08 PM Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com> wrote:

> I thought nVidia GPUs were pretty well supported for gaming on Linux too?
> In Windows at least nVidia is still better.  Drivers are the main issue for
> AMD GPUs in Windows (as always).
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 4:00 PM Jeffrey Ollie <jeff at ocjtech.us> wrote:
>
> > Windows or Linux? Linux gaming finally seems to be here thanks to the
> Steam
> > Deck but only if you use AMD GPUs.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 9:57 PM Tim Wilson <tim_linux at wilson-home.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I checked with Dymin. They charged me $20 plus tax to test the
> processor.
> > > They said it failed. So either I mishandled it or Best Buy did, or the
> > > board fried it. It was working before I sent in the motherboard for
> > > testing. Guess I should’ve taken both to Dymin then. But I thought
> > Gigabyte
> > > would repair it.
> > >
> > > So now comes the decision. Buy parts, or buy a new PC? And if I buy
> > parts,
> > > stick with AMD, or go Intel?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 11:40 PM Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > You might check with Dymin computers
> > > > <https://www.dyminsystems.com/repair-and-sales/>.  They might be
> able
> > to
> > > > help diagnose.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 9:32 PM Tim Wilson <
> tim_linux at wilson-home.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Tried a different PSU, no luck. The fans turn on, I hear a click in
> > the
> > > > > speaker, but no beeps, no video. Is there any place that would test
> > the
> > > > > processor and/or MB for a reasonable fee?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 9:52 PM Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Also, if i had an extra CPU, i would make it available to test.
> > > Anyone
> > > > > > else have one that might fit AM4?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 9:44 PM Scott Yates <
> Scott at yatesframe.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > While it is not for sure, it is VERY often the case that the
> psu
> > > > > absorbs
> > > > > > > the majority of damage during electrical "events".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Even though the motherboard and things are often more delicate,
> > it
> > > > > always
> > > > > > > seems to affect the PSU more than you would expect.  Sometimes
> it
> > > > makes
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > marginal, sometimes it kills it outright.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 9:42 PM Tim Wilson <
> > > > tim_linux at wilson-home.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> This PC is the same, no speaker. But the MB has a header, so I
> > dug
> > > > > out a
> > > > > > >> speaker from an old PC. I hear some clicks when it powers up,
> > but
> > > no
> > > > > > >> beeps.
> > > > > > >> I don’t see an LED display. The power LED blinks when holding
> > the
> > > > > power
> > > > > > >> button, but it never powers down. Gotta flip the PSU switch. I
> > > could
> > > > > > get a
> > > > > > >> new MB cheap, NewEgg has it on sale. But if it’s the
> processor,
> > > I’d
> > > > > > >> probably switch to Intel instead of AMD.
> > > > > > >> This is the MB I have:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b450m-ds3h-wifi/p/N82E16813145164?Item=N82E16813145164&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-13-145-164-_-06132022
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I’ll try a different PSU. I tried this last year when I was
> > trying
> > > > to
> > > > > > >> figure out the noise coming from the USB powered speakers.
> That
> > > > turned
> > > > > > out
> > > > > > >> to be a fried speaker, 1 of the 3 devices that were connected.
> > > Video
> > > > > > >> capture, and external hard drive were the others.  I still
> don’t
> > > > > > >> understand
> > > > > > >> how there wasn’t damage to the MB, when 3 of the 5 devices
> that
> > > were
> > > > > > >> connected, got fried.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 6:09 PM Scott Yates <
> > Scott at yatesframe.com
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > This is a good point as well.  Though most recent
> motherboards
> > > DO
> > > > > > have a
> > > > > > >> > postcode seven segment LED displays right on the
> motherboard.
> > > Do
> > > > > you
> > > > > > >> see
> > > > > > >> > any lights at all on the board?
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 5:36 PM Nicholas Olson <
> > > > > > >> nicholas.olson83 at gmail.com
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > Keeping it simple. Is there even a speaker to generate the
> > > > beeps?
> > > > > > >> That’s
> > > > > > >> > a
> > > > > > >> > > phenomenon I discovered in the last few years on my Ryzen
> > > > mobos. I
> > > > > > >> would
> > > > > > >> > > get no beeps on boots whether good or bad. I noticed there
> > was
> > > > no
> > > > > > >> speaker
> > > > > > >> > > built in or wired to the front panel header pins. Hooking
> a
> > > > > speaker
> > > > > > >> from
> > > > > > >> > my
> > > > > > >> > > junk drawer to the speaker header and walla. Either the
> > single
> > > > > > >> > ‘everything
> > > > > > >> > > is ok’ beeps, or the POST code for identifying an issue.
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > On Jun 13, 2022, at 12:56 AM, Tim Wilson <
> > > > > > tim_linux at wilson-home.com
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > > Resurrecting this old thread, need some more help. To
> get
> > > up
> > > > to
> > > > > > >> speed,
> > > > > > >> > > > there was a lightning strike near my house in October.
> > > There
> > > > > > were 3
> > > > > > >> > USB
> > > > > > >> > > > devices hooked up to my gaming tower, not including the
> KB
> > > and
> > > > > > >> mouse.
> > > > > > >> > > All
> > > > > > >> > > > 3 were fried (KB and mouse seemed to be ok).  The
> computer
> > > > > > >> continued to
> > > > > > >> > > > work, but I was  afraid to plug in anything to the USB
> > > ports.
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > In March,  I finally decided to send the motherboard
> into
> > > > > Gigabyte
> > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > >> > > > warranty repair.  To my surprise, they said there was
> > > nothing
> > > > > > wrong
> > > > > > >> > with
> > > > > > >> > > > it.  After getting it back, I let it sit for a couple of
> > > > > months, I
> > > > > > >> > wasn’t
> > > > > > >> > > > looking forward to putting it back together.  That was
> the
> > > > > reason
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > >> > > bought
> > > > > > >> > > > a pre-built PC.  I made a mistake in taking it to Best
> > Buy,
> > > > they
> > > > > > >> said
> > > > > > >> > > they
> > > > > > >> > > > would reassemble it for me.  Thanks to a recent
> appliance
> > > > > > purchase,
> > > > > > >> we
> > > > > > >> > > had
> > > > > > >> > > > their Total Tech, so there wasn’t a charge to assemble
> it.
> > > I
> > > > > > >> assumed
> > > > > > >> > it
> > > > > > >> > > > would be back to either full working order, or at least
> > back
> > > > to
> > > > > > >> what it
> > > > > > >> > > was
> > > > > > >> > > > prior to sending it in for repair.  Instead, they said
> it
> > > > > wouldn’t
> > > > > > >> > boot.
> > > > > > >> > > > Of course, they wanted to sell me a new setup.  I
> decided
> > to
> > > > > bring
> > > > > > >> it
> > > > > > >> > > home
> > > > > > >> > > > and take a look at it.
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > I thought maybe it would be a bent pin on the processor,
> > or
> > > > > > >> something I
> > > > > > >> > > > could figure out.  Unfortunately, I’m stumped.  I don’t
> > know
> > > > if
> > > > > > it’s
> > > > > > >> > the
> > > > > > >> > > > MB, or processor.  I don’t get any beeps, even without
> > > RAM.  I
> > > > > > need
> > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > >> > > > either buy new parts, or get it diagnosed.  Does anyone
> > know
> > > > of
> > > > > a
> > > > > > >> > place I
> > > > > > >> > > > could take it to get it diagnosed?  It’s a Gigabyte MB,
> > AM4
> > > > > > Socket,
> > > > > > >> > > Ryzen 7
> > > > > > >> > > > processor, not quite 3 years old.
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > TIA!
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 10:35 PM Tim Wilson <
> > > > > > >> tim_linux at wilson-home.com
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > >> My spare PSU didn't have enough 8 pin connectors, so I
> > > > couldn't
> > > > > > >> plug
> > > > > > >> > in
> > > > > > >> > > my
> > > > > > >> > > >> video card.  But, I hooked up everything else, and not
> > long
> > > > > into
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >> > > boot
> > > > > > >> > > >> process (pre-OS), the noise returned.  It is definitely
> > > > coming
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > >> > the
> > > > > > >> > > >> speakers.  If I shutdown the PC (but leave the PSU on),
> > the
> > > > > > >> speakers
> > > > > > >> > > stay
> > > > > > >> > > >> powered, but no noise.  I should also say that I can
> plug
> > > the
> > > > > > >> speakers
> > > > > > >> > > into
> > > > > > >> > > >> a USB battery and again, no noise.  And the audio comes
> > > from
> > > > a
> > > > > > >> > > connector on
> > > > > > >> > > >> the back of a monitor.  So whatever input is selected
> on
> > > the
> > > > > > >> monitor,
> > > > > > >> > is
> > > > > > >> > > >> where the audio comes from.  But the noise stays
> > regardless
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > >> > input
> > > > > > >> > > >> selected, if the speaker power cable is plugged into my
> > PC.
> > > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >> Would purchasing an add-on USB card fix the issue, or
> do
> > > you
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >> > > >> noise would follow?  Or should I just bite the bullet
> and
> > > > buy a
> > > > > > new
> > > > > > >> > MB?
> > > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >> Now I'm having another problem.  When it is on my desk
> > and
> > > > > open,
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > >> can
> > > > > > >> > > get
> > > > > > >> > > >> the LEDs to work.  But on the floor, the LEDs are off.
> > I'm
> > > > > sure
> > > > > > >> it's
> > > > > > >> > a
> > > > > > >> > > >> power issue.  There's a power cable that runs from an
> ATA
> > > > power
> > > > > > >> > > connector
> > > > > > >> > > >> to a board that controls the LEDs. I think one of the
> > > > > connectors
> > > > > > >> came
> > > > > > >> > > loose.
> > > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >> Did I say I wish I hadn't bought this thing?  I got
> > scared
> > > > off
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > >> > > >> assembling my own since it had been years since I built
> > my
> > > > last
> > > > > > >> one.
> > > > > > >> > I
> > > > > > >> > > >> might have to do that after all.
> > > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 2:56 PM L. V. Lammert <
> > > > lvl at omnitec.net
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> On Thu, 18 Nov 2021, David Champion wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > >>>> I have a PC power supply tester that give you a
> reading
> > > on
> > > > > all
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > >> > > >>> thevoltages. Also have a multimeter, and we have an
> > > o-scope
> > > > > (I'm
> > > > > > >> not
> > > > > > >> > > >>> qualifiedto run but others are) at Area515.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> Would it not be simpler to just order a new PSU? At a
> > cost
> > > > of
> > > > > > >> $40, ..
> > > > > > >> > > your
> > > > > > >> > > >>> time value would be WELL above that - we keep two or
> > three
> > > > on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > >> > shelf
> > > > > > >> > > >>> at all times.
> > > > > > >> > > >>>        Lee
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