[Cialug] Mac/Arm

[Dave Hala]

To be honest, the operating system doesn't get in the way.  With the mac's
the interaction between our ipads and iphones just works, nothing
to configure, no specials apps to install,etc.  Air drop is is awesome.
 Everything just works.  Did I say that everything just works?

With windows it seems like there is always a problem, something to
configure, something that magically just stops working.    Some
weird driver problem etc.   Honestly, if time is money, I'll save money
switching to mac's.

When I'm working, I'm making money.  When I'm fixing windows B.S., I'm
losing revenue.

:) Dave







On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 2:39 PM Jeffrey Ollie <jeff at ocjtech.us> wrote:

> What's driving the switch to Macs? Personally I don't find the hardware
> compelling enough to pay the Apple tax. But then I also run Linux on my
> desktops so MacOS isn't a selling point for me either.
>
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 1:33 PM Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
>
> > Maybe the solution is to buy an intel powered iMac now, before they
> > switch....and hope a solution comes up before that machine is end of
> > life...
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 1:28 PM Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I was thinking about that too. It looks like there is an Arm  version
> of
> > > RHEL 8 in the works, but I'm wondering what kind of can of worms that
> > will
> > > be. I'm wondering will the entire LAMP stack and all the weird little
> > apps
> > > I use still run on ARM?   Then we are back to breaking the old thing of
> > > "Dev Environment Should Match the Production environment" rule.
> > >
> > > I guess the answer would be to switch production to ARM... but
> Honestly,
> > I
> > > would rather tolerate windows than do that.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 12:32 PM Erik Anderson <erikerik at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> As of right now, my understanding of the situation is that, while
> there
> > >> are virtualization options for the ARM based processors, their guests
> > still
> > >> need to be ARM. As in, they don’t yet translate ARM world into x32/x64
> > >> world, at least not yet.
> > >>
> > >> At some point, I have no doubt that Vbox may support this,  but the
> > >> performance hit is bound to be hard to stomach.
> > >>
> > >> While I’m excited about the some of the efficiency improvements of
> Apple
> > >> moving to their own silicon, I’m a bit worried about how it will all
> > play
> > >> out for use cases like yours, which mirror the dev environments myself
> > and
> > >> my colleagues use.
> > >>
> > >> As our resident guinea pig, I will likely order one of the new ARM
> > >> machines when they first become available so I can start figuring out
> > >> what’s broken and how to fix it, before we start ordering them for
> other
> > >> employees.
> > >>
> > >> - ea
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > On Jul 11, 2020, at 09:37, Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > We were going to transition to the Mac for workstations. We do our
> > >> > development on Linux (Redhat) VM's using VirtualBox.
> > >> >
> > >> > Looks like it's no go.   Is there an open source virtualization
> tool I
> > >> can
> > >> > run on an an arm based mac and accomplish the same thing?
> > >> >
> > >> > :) Dave
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