[Cialug] OT: Membership vs. Dues vs List; was Re: Users needed

Thu Jan 30 15:26:01 UTC 2020

You know the minute you migrate to Groups Google will just cancel it right?

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:21 PM Barry Von Ahsen <vonahsen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Those funds still exist, we should probably do _something_ with them.  When
> we eliminated dues, we pretty much declared anyone on the mailing list a
> member, but I think we also removed most member perks, I'd have to check
> the bylaws.
>
> The only real expenses we have are the domain registration and the hosting,
> both of which I happily donate because the value far outweighs the cost.
> We've also debated moving to Google groups and a GitHub page, but never
> really followed through
>
>
>
> -barry
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 12:58 Matt <matt at itwannabe.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, at the time I left Iowa the LUG had a few hundred bucks worth of
> > dues in an account and they were trying to come up with a way to blow
> > the money.  Not sure if you folks ever managed to spend it or not.  I
> > think a party might have been in the works, or something. In any case,
> > the LUG has always been accidentally frugal, given that the meeting
> > locations are provided and any time food is available it was provided by
> > the business that hosted the meeting (I loved the pizza/drinks Right
> > Stuf provided).  Generally food was only provided when a local
> > restaurant wasn't close-by, anyway.  So yeah, dues-paying is/was kinda
> > pointless...
> >
> > I guess someone would have to put some charter changes up to a vote for
> > the last set of dues-paying members to vote on, or maybe give some
> > people the option of paying dues to contribute to the vote to change
> > it.  You might want to bring it up at the next meeting (or the one after
> > if you have to give a certain number of days notice?).
> >
> > -- Matt (N0BOX)
> >
> > On 1/29/2020 3:42 PM, Andrew Denner wrote:
> > > Dues have not been collected in years. We have also not had a regular
> > vote
> > > in years either. If anyone cares we can always fix either.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 2:37 PM Matt <matt at itwannabe.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Yeah, I'm not so sure being a CIALUG member really has any bearing on
> > >> the mailing list.  I haven't been in Iowa for two or three years, now,
> > >> but I like to keep up with the list because it has always been really
> > >> informative and drama-free.  Maybe CIALUG should come up with some
> list
> > >> rules separate from the charter, since the list is open to the public
> > >> and isn't necessarily charter- or membership-bound.
> > >>
> > >> I'll see if I can find anything on the mailman signup page regarding
> > rules.
> > >>
> > >> -- Matt (N0BOX)
> > >>
> > >> On 1/29/2020 3:27 PM, Jeff Chapin wrote:
> > >>> I think that it's very telling that Brian has not replied on this
> list,
> > >> or
> > >>> the TCLug list (which he CC'ed the original message to) about this.
> > >>> Considering the fact that he was using the list to plug his business
> > >> during
> > >>> regular business hours, 3 hours is plenty of time for him to have
> seen
> > >> and
> > >>> respond. This once again fits with is past behavior -- he tosses his
> > >>> inappropriate comments out, and then neglects to comment on, or
> defend
> > >> them
> > >>> - this behavior was also pointed out on the TC Lug list.
> > >>>
> > >>> It's clear to me that Brian either does not understand, or decided
> not
> > to
> > >>> care what is and is not appropriate for these mailing lists, despite
> > >> being
> > >>> called out on it. At some point, continuing behavior, despite being
> > asked
> > >>> to stop amounts to deliberate trolling.
> > >>>
> > >>> As for dues, I am not currently a dues paying member -- anyone know
> how
> > >>> much dues are? I do not see that on the website -- and where would
> > >> someone
> > >>> that is not able to pay in person send the payment?
> > >>>
> > >>> Jeff
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 1:34 PM Rob Cook <rdjcook at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I'd say this covers it, from the CILUG bylaws:  *Section Two: A
> member
> > >>>> shall be expelled from this organization upon recommendation of 50%
> of
> > >> the
> > >>>> Executive Committee and upon a 75% vote of the current full members
> of
> > >> this
> > >>>> organization. *
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Furter, has Brian paid his dues for the year? If not: *Section One:
> A
> > >>>> person shall be a member of this organization upon paying the yearly
> > >> dues
> > >>>> at a regular meeting. Their membership shall last one calendar year.
> > The
> > >>>> dues shall be set at the second regular meeting of the year by vote
> of
> > >> the
> > >>>> entire organization.*
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 1:17 PM Andrew Denner <linux-list at upeke.com
> >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> I don't know that we actually have a policy. I just asked the
> > irc/slack
> > >>>>> channel what people thought. I would not be opposed to either
> > dropping
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>> ban hammer, or setting a rule if possible to make him read only.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 1:08 PM Daniel A. Ramaley <
> > >>>>> daniel.ramaley at drake.edu>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> I was actually on my way to look up policies to see if it would be
> > >>>>>> reasonable to ask if Brian Wood could be removed from the list but
> > >> then
> > >>>>>> got distracted. If he's not removed i'll probably add a filter in
> my
> > >>>>>> e-mail client.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --Dan
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 1/29/20 12:51 PM, Matt wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Everyone else,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> What should we be doing about this? We've let it slide for at
> > least 3
> > >>>>>>> years, so are we going to continue to "be nice" about it?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> -- Matt (N0BOX)
> > >>>>>> __
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