[Cialug] OT: Membership vs. Dues vs List; was Re: Users needed

Thu Jan 30 05:20:50 UTC 2020

Those funds still exist, we should probably do _something_ with them.  When
we eliminated dues, we pretty much declared anyone on the mailing list a
member, but I think we also removed most member perks, I'd have to check
the bylaws.

The only real expenses we have are the domain registration and the hosting,
both of which I happily donate because the value far outweighs the cost.
We've also debated moving to Google groups and a GitHub page, but never
really followed through

-barry

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 12:58 Matt <matt at itwannabe.com> wrote:

> Yeah, at the time I left Iowa the LUG had a few hundred bucks worth of
> dues in an account and they were trying to come up with a way to blow
> the money.  Not sure if you folks ever managed to spend it or not.  I
> think a party might have been in the works, or something. In any case,
> the LUG has always been accidentally frugal, given that the meeting
> locations are provided and any time food is available it was provided by
> the business that hosted the meeting (I loved the pizza/drinks Right
> Stuf provided).  Generally food was only provided when a local
> restaurant wasn't close-by, anyway.  So yeah, dues-paying is/was kinda
> pointless...
>
> I guess someone would have to put some charter changes up to a vote for
> the last set of dues-paying members to vote on, or maybe give some
> people the option of paying dues to contribute to the vote to change
> it.  You might want to bring it up at the next meeting (or the one after
> if you have to give a certain number of days notice?).
>
> -- Matt (N0BOX)
>
> On 1/29/2020 3:42 PM, Andrew Denner wrote:
> > Dues have not been collected in years. We have also not had a regular
> vote
> > in years either. If anyone cares we can always fix either.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 2:37 PM Matt <matt at itwannabe.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah, I'm not so sure being a CIALUG member really has any bearing on
> >> the mailing list.  I haven't been in Iowa for two or three years, now,
> >> but I like to keep up with the list because it has always been really
> >> informative and drama-free.  Maybe CIALUG should come up with some list
> >> rules separate from the charter, since the list is open to the public
> >> and isn't necessarily charter- or membership-bound.
> >>
> >> I'll see if I can find anything on the mailman signup page regarding
> rules.
> >>
> >> -- Matt (N0BOX)
> >>
> >> On 1/29/2020 3:27 PM, Jeff Chapin wrote:
> >>> I think that it's very telling that Brian has not replied on this list,
> >> or
> >>> the TCLug list (which he CC'ed the original message to) about this.
> >>> Considering the fact that he was using the list to plug his business
> >> during
> >>> regular business hours, 3 hours is plenty of time for him to have seen
> >> and
> >>> respond. This once again fits with is past behavior -- he tosses his
> >>> inappropriate comments out, and then neglects to comment on, or defend
> >> them
> >>> - this behavior was also pointed out on the TC Lug list.
> >>>
> >>> It's clear to me that Brian either does not understand, or decided not
> to
> >>> care what is and is not appropriate for these mailing lists, despite
> >> being
> >>> called out on it. At some point, continuing behavior, despite being
> asked
> >>> to stop amounts to deliberate trolling.
> >>>
> >>> As for dues, I am not currently a dues paying member -- anyone know how
> >>> much dues are? I do not see that on the website -- and where would
> >> someone
> >>> that is not able to pay in person send the payment?
> >>>
> >>> Jeff
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 1:34 PM Rob Cook <rdjcook at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I'd say this covers it, from the CILUG bylaws:  *Section Two: A member
> >>>> shall be expelled from this organization upon recommendation of 50% of
> >> the
> >>>> Executive Committee and upon a 75% vote of the current full members of
> >> this
> >>>> organization. *
> >>>>
> >>>> Furter, has Brian paid his dues for the year? If not: *Section One: A
> >>>> person shall be a member of this organization upon paying the yearly
> >> dues
> >>>> at a regular meeting. Their membership shall last one calendar year.
> The
> >>>> dues shall be set at the second regular meeting of the year by vote of
> >> the
> >>>> entire organization.*
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 1:17 PM Andrew Denner <linux-list at upeke.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I don't know that we actually have a policy. I just asked the
> irc/slack
> >>>>> channel what people thought. I would not be opposed to either
> dropping
> >>>> the
> >>>>> ban hammer, or setting a rule if possible to make him read only.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 1:08 PM Daniel A. Ramaley <
> >>>>> daniel.ramaley at drake.edu>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I was actually on my way to look up policies to see if it would be
> >>>>>> reasonable to ask if Brian Wood could be removed from the list but
> >> then
> >>>>>> got distracted. If he's not removed i'll probably add a filter in my
> >>>>>> e-mail client.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --Dan
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 1/29/20 12:51 PM, Matt wrote:
> >>>>>>> Everyone else,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What should we be doing about this? We've let it slide for at
> least 3
> >>>>>>> years, so are we going to continue to "be nice" about it?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -- Matt (N0BOX)
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> >>>> rdjcook at gmail.com
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