[Cialug] Programming languages: next 10 yrs

Sat Apr 29 14:48:32 CDT 2017

Yeah, I thought about those, too.

Note that those languages are from a couple of cultural existential
eradications ago.

I suppose an analog would be the metric system.  Since most of the
 industrialized world's infrastructure was bombed out of existence in WWII,
it was smarter to rebuild from scratch using a better system of measures.
Ours and Britain's weren't, so it was too expensive to rebuild using a
better system, so we still use old systems or a mix of the old and new

Similarly, a lot of cities benefited in the long run from city-wide fires
that allowed more sensible planning, etc.

We haven't had time for that kind of thing happen to modern computing.  I
have no idea what form such a thing might take, but history shows that
it'll probably happen at least once.

Here's a scenario:  For whatever reason, the English language and
capitalism are deemed degenerate and forbidden.  Everything related is
smashed and burned.  Whatever culture is dominant will have to create new
infrastructure, including computers and computer languages, that cannot
look too much like what was junked.  New forms evolve that come to dominate
the landscape.  Read Origin of Species or Baxter's Evolution.

If, as Darwin predicted, we will eventually be replaced as a species, I'm
pretty sure that our computer languages will have a few extinctions, also.

If you don't like my scenario, go ask a sponge, they've seen a few mass
extinctions over the past seven hundred and fifty million years.  :-D

On Apr 28, 2017 10:26 AM, "kristau" <kristau at gmail.com> wrote:

> Perhaps look at any languages we consider today to be "dead"
> languages? In other words, what languages are taught in school, but
> not really used by a sizeable population. In other, other words, which
> programming languages are similar to spoken/written languages like
> Latin, Sumerian, Phoenician, etc.?
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 9:54 AM, jim kraai <jimgkraai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Note that programming languages are like religions in that they're tough
> to
> > get going, but once one does get past the originating prophet hacker,
> they
> > almost _never_ die
> >
> > I'm still waiting for the movie treatment of Stroustrup.  "You don't get
> > rich writing C.  If you want to get rich, you code in C++."
> >
> >
> > On Apr 26, 2017 11:50 AM, "Will" <staticphantom at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > All I am getting from this thread is that languages come... But they
> really
> > don't go away once they hit critical mass since 2010.
> >
> > C++ is reinventing itself by the way if anyone hasn't been following.
> > Listen to the Cpp podcast if you are interested.
> >
> > -Will
> >
> > On Apr 26, 2017 11:15, "Andrew Denner" <linux-list at upeke.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On perl it all depends, there are so many different ways to write the
> same
> >> code. Some are quite ugly.
> >>
> >> I think c# will have good staying power especially with parts of .net
> > being
> >> open sourced. Java probably will remain, and the something javascript
> > based
> >> will still be around.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 6:41 AM, Kyle H <khamil8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Seconded on Perl, I use it daily. It's one of those languages that
> will
> >> > remain around forever I one form or another.
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 9:51 PM Jared Brees <fromj2sitsme at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I'm a huge Perl fan. Granted, most of what I need scripts for is
> text
> >> > > processing, which is what Perl was designed for.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I have yet to see a compelling reason to use something other than
> Perl
> >> > for
> >> > > most server-side stuff.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Jared Brees<http://me.relatedtotechnology.org/> - Squirrel
> >> Photographer<
> >> > > http://squirrels.relatedtotechnology.org/>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ________________________________
> >> > > From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org <cialug-bounces at cialug.org> on
> behalf
> >> of
> >> > > Nicolai <nicolai-cialug at chocolatine.org>
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 1:10 PM
> >> > > To: cialug at cialug.org
> >> > > Subject: [Cialug] Programming languages: next 10 yrs
> >> > >
> >> > > Hey all,
> >> > >
> >> > > What are your thoughts on programming languages in the next 10
> years?
> >> > > What will be the big winners and losers?  What's the trajectory of
> the
> >> > > ecosystem?
> >> > >
> >> > > I've been learning Go recently.  I like it a lot and think it will
> be
> >> my
> >> > > default language now.  First I rewrote some simple C tools in Go,
> then
> >> > > my password manager (also previously in C), next is something
> bigger.
> >> > Like
> >> > > several other languages, Go has a bright future.
> >> > >
> >> > > Python is nice, but other languages with safety features (like Rust
> > and
> >> > > Go) are getting big and they are also MUCH faster.  Given its
> > slowness,
> >> > > and combined with the awkward handling of Python2 to Python3, I
> think
> >> > > Python will contract a bit.
> >> > >
> >> > > With Perl it's past time to SELL SELL SELL!  That ship has sailed.
> >> > >
> >> > > I hope Rust succeeds but I personally don't like the syntax.
> >> > >
> >> > > IMO C is the most beautiful language.  I've also come to believe
> that
> >> > > programming languages are like shoes: they can be beautiful or
> >> > > comfortable, or neither, but never both.  C is beautiful but unsafe.
> >> > > Rust is safe but heinous (okay I said it).  Go is safe but kinda
> >> > > plainly, similar to Python.
> >> > >
> >> > > C will be with us for a long time.  Maybe/hopefully C programmers
> >> > > will begin to code more cautiously, making use of strl{cpy,cat},
> >> > > OpenBSD pledge(), avoiding malloc, initializing variables, etc. to
> >> > > reduce problems and create a sort of memory safety that's a lot
> better
> >> > > than nothing.
> >> > >
> >> > > Nicolai
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