[Cialug] SysAdmin FYI

[jim kraai]

"I used to be with it, but then they changed what *it* was.

"Now what I'm with isn't *it*, and what's *it* seems weird and scary to me.

"It'll happen to you..."



On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:

> There is a culture gap... at least in the language department. Us old
> dudes just communicate differently.  Us old dudes need to be aware of
> it, and understand that the children are oblivious to the fact of how
> important it is to be able to effectively communicate and function as
> a team. (sounds like a bunch of corporate HR crap, doesn't it?) The
> issue isn't inexperienced children vs. decrepit old farts.  Its
> communication. Both groups can function well together, after they
> realize that the *real*  issue is effective communication across the
> cultural lines. Its really not about "Old fart vs dumb ass college
> kid".
>
> The difference between an old man and a young man, is that the old man
> has already done all the stupid things that the young man is about to
> do. He is powerless (because of the inability to effectively
> communicate with the kid)  to prevent the kid from making the same
> mistakes he did, so he just sits back and watches it unfold.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Crouse <crouse at usalug.net> wrote:
> > "And young people might say exactly to opposite about you: some entitled
> > old dude who still thinks emacs vs. vim is relevant" ... WTH... vi
> finally
> > won right ?
> >
> > Old dude.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:44 AM, Zachary Kotlarek <zach at kotlarek.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Mar 24, 2014, at 11:57 PM, Matt Stanton <matt at itwannabe.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > It's not so much about age as how this guy acts... or at least how he
> >> writes.
> >>
> >> Except the difference you're citing are directly correlated with age --
> as
> >> you note, the language in question came into existence as part of a
> certain
> >> computer-related culture that you are slightly too old to be a part of.
> >> These people, simply be being alive at the right time and interested in
> >> computer security, would have been widely exposed to script-kiddie
> (which
> >> is itself a dismissive, agist description of behavior not particularly
> >> related to age), and they may even have been script-kiddies when they
> were
> >> younger. Why does that mean they are unqualified today?
> >>
> >> Have you never heard your grandmother (or a similarly aged person)
> lament
> >> that people today don't write by hand, or that they use language in ways
> >> she finds unbecoming? Isn't that exactly what you're doing here --
> applying
> >> cultural judgements across cultures?
> >>
> >>         Zach
> >>
> >>
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