[Cialug] Rookie installer having trouble
murraymckee at wellsfargo.com
murraymckee at wellsfargo.com
Mon Aug 18 17:16:01 CDT 2014
I'll check. I think I used NTFS for the Data Partition, although it might have been FAT-32.
Thanks for the confirmation that I guessed correctly in trying to get Windows running first.
Murray R. McKee
Operating Systems Analyst
Mainframe/Midrange Services
Wells Fargo Compute Platform Services | 800 Walnut Street | Des Moines, IA 50309-3605
MAC N0001-037
Tel 515-557-6127 | Cell 515-343-6630 | Fax 515-557-6046 | Text pager: 5153436630 at vtext.com
MurrayMcKee at WellsFargo.com
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From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf Of Sean Flattery
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 1:07 PM
To: cialug at cialug.org
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Rookie installer having trouble
I'm glad to hear you got the SSD detection working.
I'll second the recommendation for using gparted. In addition to having its own live cd it's usually packaged with distros like Ubuntu. After using Clonezilla to copy the data to a new hard drive, load up gparted and extend that partition into your free space. Make sure you leave enough space for that Linux install you'd like to do. You can also use gparted to create that data partition for shared storage between Windows and Linux.
You'll probably want to use a Windows friendly format like NTFS for that.
To answer your question about install order, always install Windows first and then Linux, as the Windows boot loader doesn't want you to load up another OS. Grub however will do that just fine. Picasa used to have Linux support, but they dropped it two years ago. You might be able to load up that old version if it'll help with the wife. Although if you're only using Windows for Picasa, you could just install Linux, create a VM, and load Windows from within that.
Sean
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 20:00:50 +0000
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To: <cialug at cialug.org>
Subject: [Cialug] Rookie installer having trouble
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I had really hoped to get further before I had to ask for help, but I didn't get that far.
Here's the situation.
I have two Windows XP laptops that I'd like to set up to dual boot to Linux and XP. My wife doesn't want to learn something other than Picasa right now. Once I get my laptop converted I'll do my wife's laptop. The plan is to use XP & Picasa when not connected to the internet and Linux, Firefox, Thunderbird when connecting to the internet.
They have 40G hard drives. Mine is nearly full, the other one has some space.
I bought a pair of 64G USB drives. One to use as backup. I copied the 17G of data from my computer to one of the USB drives. I've also copied it to a USB external hard drive as well. Two backups is better than one.
I bought a pair of 256G Crucial MX100 SSD to replace the hard drives. I bought a Sabrent USB3 to SATA/IDE connector. (I think USB-DSC8 is the model or part number)
Here's what I did last Saturday afternoon at church where I can access WIFI. Out in the country we have dialup for personal e-mail. Well, I guess it was 2 Saturdays ago now.
I downloaded TUXBOOT & ? to do the drive copy from the hard drive to the USB. (I tried to use EZ GIG IV but it didn't support the Sabrent
connector.) I can't find the down load of the copy code on my laptop, so I must have downloaded it directly to the USB, and it's wiped out now.
I rebooted to TUX and copied from the hard drive to the SSD, or so I thought. It ran for 45 minutes and failed. I deleted some stuff, ran defrag, and tried again. It failed again. After several hours of work, finding what to use instead of what I thought I was going to use, downloading and installing it, and finally running it and failing twice, I gave up and went home. It was well past supper time already.
So, this afternoon I set the laptop back up here at home. I'm using my work laptop for this e-mail as it has a cell modem. I connected the SSD through Sabrent connector and looked at my two USB drives. One contained my backup data as expected and had a capacity of 61G, 17G used.
I looked at the other one, expecting to see the TUXBOOT & ?, but found a copy of my "C" drive, and no tuxboot to be seen. What surprised me even more that the USB drive was formatted to 40G and completely full. I now guess that the USB is allocated in 4K blocks and the hard drive is allocated in something smaller and that caused the backup error. Although both are NTFS file systems.
What concerns me is that I can NOT see the SSD, even though there are two lights on the block at the other end of the cable from the USB connector that plugs into the laptop. One appears to be indicating that there is a USB connection, and the other is labeled SATA. I'm assuming that means that the block is talking to the SATA SSD drive.
Since Windows can't see the SSD drive I'm guessing that TUXBOOT & ? can't either and I inadvertently selected the USB when I started the copy. I didn't connect the SSD drive to the laptop until after I'd shut it down in preparation to boot TUXBOOT from the USB drive.
I really wanted to make two or maybe three partitions on the SSD, one for XP and one for Linux, and possibly one for common data where both could read and write, well, one at a time, whichever one was booted at the time.
But if I use the same thing I used last weekend I'll end up with the same problem again. Even if I figure out how to see the SSD, I'll get it formatted down to 40G and lose the other 200G of space and have no room to install Linux.
So, the two questions I have for the computer wizards out there are:
1. Has anybody used a Sabrent USB-DSC8 to connect to an external SSD, and how do I get the computer to recognize the SSD drive?
2. How do I copy Windows to the Curcial SSD without formatting it down to 40G so I have room for Linux and data expansion? Or should I install Linux on the new SSD first and then copy the XP system in?
Or am I going about this all wrong and I need to start over farther back.
Years ago I had a 200G hard drive on my home desktop computer, when that was huge, and it became flaky. I bought a 1T drive to replace it and copied the entire drive over using the software that came with the new drive. Now I can only access 200G on my 1T drive. At the time it didn't worry me as I was more concerned with the drive being flaky. In the intervening years I've used up most of the 200G and I'd love to use more space on my desktop, but I can't get at it. I don't want the same thing to happen to my SSD. Losing 1/3 of my USB is a nuisance. Losing 80% of my SSD is not acceptable, especially when I need more space now.
The other thing that happened was while I was trying to download TUXBOOT & ? I seem to have gotten way more than I wanted and every time I connect to the internet I get a constant stream of popup windows with advertising that I have to keep closing and then they open a browser window even though I said close. I tried to uninstall some of it, but it seems to have deleted something that is required to uninstall software and I can't uninstall anything now. Bummer!
I'm sorry about such a long rambling e-mail, but I thought with enough details there was a better chance of getting an answer than resolves the problem.
TIA,
Murray R. McKee
Operating Systems Analyst
Mainframe/Midrange Services
Wells Fargo Compute Platform Services | 800 Walnut Street | Des Moines, IA 50309-3605 MAC N0001-037 Tel 515-557-6127 | Cell 515-343-6630 | Fax 515-557-6046 | Text pager:
5153436630 at vtext.com
MurrayMcKee at WellsFargo.com
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 12:09:18 -0500 (CDT)
> From: "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net>
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Backup of user machines
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> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Pixie wrote:
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> > It's more in the category of "DropBox replacement" than "backup
> > utility", but BitTorrent Sync has been working pretty well around
> > these parts.
> >
> Interesting suggestion, .. !! Have you built any 'customized'
> installers that will include the setup info?
>
> Lee
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 12:28:56 -0500
> From: Pixie <pix at kepibu.org>
> To: cialug at cialug.org
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Backup of user machines
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> On 2014.08.16 12:09, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> > On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Pixie wrote:
> >
> >> It's more in the category of "DropBox replacement" than "backup
> >> utility", but BitTorrent Sync has been working pretty well around
> >> these parts.
> >>
> > Interesting suggestion, .. !! Have you built any 'customized'
> > installers that will include the setup info?
>
> Alas, no. The small number of machines involved, the low rate of
> hardware churn, and my not even remotely being a Windows developer,
> meant it would have taken /way/ longer to automate than to just do the
> installs manually.
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 13:47:14 -0500
> From: c <cbpurcell at gmail.com>
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Backup of user machines
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> Haven't found the how tos, but according to this page you can back up
> to any computer or drive with internet access.
> http://www.code42.com/crashplan/features/backup-destinations/#offsite
>
> Sorry for the brevity. On a plane right now, typing from my phone.
> On Aug 16, 2014 11:25 AM, "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, c wrote:
> >
> > > Crashplan. http://www.code42.com/crashplan/
> > >
> > Didn't know it could use our servers - can you point me to those docs?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Lee
> >
> > > Purcell
> > > On Aug 16, 2014 10:39 AM, "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Would like to have a 'user level' backup system for some of our
> users;
> > > > rsnapshot is fine for servers, but managing backups and
> > > > restoring a
> > file
> > > > is not something for a user.
> > > >
> > > > Any recommendations for a 'user friendly' system? Need cross (i.e.
> > Windoze
> > > > 8), .. and use our servers for storage.
> > > >
> > > > TIA!
> > > >
> > > > Lee
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 20:00:50 +0000
> From: <murraymckee at wellsfargo.com>
> To: <cialug at cialug.org>
> Subject: [Cialug] Rookie installer having trouble
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> I had really hoped to get further before I had to ask for help, but I
> didn't get that far.
>
> Here's the situation.
>
> I have two Windows XP laptops that I'd like to set up to dual boot to
> Linux and XP. My wife doesn't want to learn something other than
> Picasa right now. Once I get my laptop converted I'll do my wife's
> laptop. The plan is to use XP & Picasa when not connected to the
> internet and Linux, Firefox, Thunderbird when connecting to the internet.
>
> They have 40G hard drives. Mine is nearly full, the other one has
> some space.
>
> I bought a pair of 64G USB drives. One to use as backup. I copied
> the 17G of data from my computer to one of the USB drives. I've also
> copied it to a USB external hard drive as well. Two backups is better than one.
>
> I bought a pair of 256G Crucial MX100 SSD to replace the hard drives.
> I bought a Sabrent USB3 to SATA/IDE connector. (I think USB-DSC8 is
> the model or part number)
>
> Here's what I did last Saturday afternoon at church where I can access
> WIFI. Out in the country we have dialup for personal e-mail. Well, I
> guess it was 2 Saturdays ago now.
>
> I downloaded TUXBOOT & ? to do the drive copy from the hard drive to
> the USB. (I tried to use EZ GIG IV but it didn't support the Sabrent
> connector.) I can't find the down load of the copy code on my laptop,
> so I must have downloaded it directly to the USB, and it's wiped out now.
>
> I rebooted to TUX and copied from the hard drive to the SSD, or so I
> thought. It ran for 45 minutes and failed. I deleted some stuff, ran
> defrag, and tried again. It failed again. After several hours of
> work, finding what to use instead of what I thought I was going to
> use, downloading and installing it, and finally running it and failing
> twice, I gave up and went home. It was well past supper time already.
>
> So, this afternoon I set the laptop back up here at home. I'm using
> my work laptop for this e-mail as it has a cell modem. I connected
> the SSD through Sabrent connector and looked at my two USB drives.
> One contained my backup data as expected and had a capacity of 61G, 17G used.
>
> I looked at the other one, expecting to see the TUXBOOT & ?, but found
> a copy of my "C" drive, and no tuxboot to be seen. What surprised me
> even more that the USB drive was formatted to 40G and completely full.
> I now guess that the USB is allocated in 4K blocks and the hard drive
> is allocated in something smaller and that caused the backup error.
> Although both are NTFS file systems.
>
> What concerns me is that I can NOT see the SSD, even though there are
> two lights on the block at the other end of the cable from the USB
> connector that plugs into the laptop. One appears to be indicating
> that there is a USB connection, and the other is labeled SATA. I'm
> assuming that means that the block is talking to the SATA SSD drive.
>
> Since Windows can't see the SSD drive I'm guessing that TUXBOOT & ?
> can't either and I inadvertently selected the USB when I started the
> copy. I didn't connect the SSD drive to the laptop until after I'd
> shut it down in preparation to boot TUXBOOT from the USB drive.
>
> I really wanted to make two or maybe three partitions on the SSD, one
> for XP and one for Linux, and possibly one for common data where both
> could read and write, well, one at a time, whichever one was booted at the time.
> But if I use the same thing I used last weekend I'll end up with the
> same problem again. Even if I figure out how to see the SSD, I'll get
> it formatted down to 40G and lose the other 200G of space and have no
> room to install Linux.
>
> So, the two questions I have for the computer wizards out there are:
>
> 1. Has anybody used a Sabrent USB-DSC8 to connect to an external SSD,
> and how do I get the computer to recognize the SSD drive?
>
> 2. How do I copy Windows to the Curcial SSD without formatting it down
> to 40G so I have room for Linux and data expansion? Or should I
> install Linux on the new SSD first and then copy the XP system in?
>
> Or am I going about this all wrong and I need to start over farther back.
>
> Years ago I had a 200G hard drive on my home desktop computer, when
> that was huge, and it became flaky. I bought a 1T drive to replace it
> and copied the entire drive over using the software that came with the
> new drive. Now I can only access 200G on my 1T drive. At the time it
> didn't worry me as I was more concerned with the drive being flaky.
> In the intervening years I've used up most of the 200G and I'd love to
> use more space on my desktop, but I can't get at it. I don't want the
> same thing to happen to my SSD. Losing 1/3 of my USB is a nuisance.
> Losing 80% of my SSD is not acceptable, especially when I need more space now.
>
> The other thing that happened was while I was trying to download
> TUXBOOT & ? I seem to have gotten way more than I wanted and every
> time I connect to the internet I get a constant stream of popup
> windows with advertising that I have to keep closing and then they
> open a browser window even though I said close. I tried to uninstall
> some of it, but it seems to have deleted something that is required to
> uninstall software and I can't uninstall anything now. Bummer!
>
> I'm sorry about such a long rambling e-mail, but I thought with enough
> details there was a better chance of getting an answer than resolves
> the problem.
>
> TIA,
>
> Murray R. McKee
>
> Operating Systems Analyst
> Mainframe/Midrange Services
>
> Wells Fargo Compute Platform Services | 800 Walnut Street | Des
> Moines, IA 50309-3605 MAC N0001-037 Tel 515-557-6127 | Cell
> 515-343-6630 | Fax 515-557-6046 | Text pager:
> 5153436630 at vtext.com
>
> MurrayMcKee at WellsFargo.com
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 15:57:13 -0500
> From: Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com>
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Backup of user machines
> Message-ID:
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>
> I will give CrashPlan my +1 as well. Works great for us. We have a
> freenas install running and CrashPlan is running in a jail. From
> there you just install the client, and point it at the name of the freenas install.
> Works great!
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 1:47 PM, c <cbpurcell at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Haven't found the how tos, but according to this page you can back
> > up to any computer or drive with internet access.
> > http://www.code42.com/crashplan/features/backup-destinations/#offsit
> > e
> >
> > Sorry for the brevity. On a plane right now, typing from my phone.
> > On Aug 16, 2014 11:25 AM, "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, c wrote:
> > >
> > > > Crashplan. http://www.code42.com/crashplan/
> > > >
> > > Didn't know it could use our servers - can you point me to those docs?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Lee
> > >
> > > > Purcell
> > > > On Aug 16, 2014 10:39 AM, "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Would like to have a 'user level' backup system for some of
> > > > > our
> > users;
> > > > > rsnapshot is fine for servers, but managing backups and
> > > > > restoring a
> > > file
> > > > > is not something for a user.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any recommendations for a 'user friendly' system? Need cross (i.e.
> > > Windoze
> > > > > 8), .. and use our servers for storage.
> > > > >
> > > > > TIA!
> > > > >
> > > > > Lee
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Cialug mailing list
> > > > > Cialug at cialug.org
> > > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Cialug mailing list
> > > > Cialug at cialug.org
> > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > ==============================================
> > > Leland V. Lammert lvl at omnitec.net
> > > Chief Scientist Omnitec Corporation
> > > Network/Internet Consultants www.omnitec.net
> > > ==============================================
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Cialug mailing list
> > > Cialug at cialug.org
> > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 15:57:55 -0500
> From: Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com>
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Backup of user machines
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> Forgot to add it is free if you backup to your own box.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com> wrote:
>
> > I will give CrashPlan my +1 as well. Works great for us. We have a
> > freenas install running and CrashPlan is running in a jail. From
> > there
> you
> > just install the client, and point it at the name of the freenas install.
> > Works great!
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 1:47 PM, c <cbpurcell at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Haven't found the how tos, but according to this page you can back
> >> up to any computer or drive with internet access.
> >> http://www.code42.com/crashplan/features/backup-destinations/#offsi
> >> te
> >>
> >> Sorry for the brevity. On a plane right now, typing from my phone.
> >> On Aug 16, 2014 11:25 AM, "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, c wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Crashplan. http://www.code42.com/crashplan/
> >> > >
> >> > Didn't know it could use our servers - can you point me to those docs?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > Lee
> >> >
> >> > > Purcell
> >> > > On Aug 16, 2014 10:39 AM, "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Would like to have a 'user level' backup system for some of
> >> > > > our
> >> users;
> >> > > > rsnapshot is fine for servers, but managing backups and
> >> > > > restoring
> a
> >> > file
> >> > > > is not something for a user.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Any recommendations for a 'user friendly' system? Need cross (i.e.
> >> > Windoze
> >> > > > 8), .. and use our servers for storage.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > TIA!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Lee
> >> > > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > > Cialug mailing list
> >> > > > Cialug at cialug.org
> >> > > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >> > > >
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > Cialug mailing list
> >> > > Cialug at cialug.org
> >> > > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > ==============================================
> >> > Leland V. Lammert lvl at omnitec.net
> >> > Chief Scientist Omnitec Corporation
> >> > Network/Internet Consultants www.omnitec.net
> >> > ==============================================
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Cialug mailing list
> >> > Cialug at cialug.org
> >> > http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Cialug mailing list
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> >>
> >
> >
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 18:17:11 -0500 (CDT)
> From: "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net>
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Backup of user machines
> Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.53.1408161816140.21637 at Mail.omnitec.net>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Scott Yates wrote:
>
> > Forgot to add it is free if you backup to your own box.
> >
> The cost is $10 per month per computer, .. no option for your own storage.
>
> WAY too expensive, .. *especially* when storeGrid is less than 1/10 of
> that!
>
> Lee
>
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 18:24:53 -0500
> From: Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com>
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Backup of user machines
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> No, it is free if you use your own boxes to backup.
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> On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 6:17 PM, L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
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> > On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Scott Yates wrote:
> >
> > > Forgot to add it is free if you backup to your own box.
> > >
> > The cost is $10 per month per computer, .. no option for your own
> storage.
> >
> > WAY too expensive, .. *especially* when storeGrid is less than 1/10
> > of that!
> >
> > Lee
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