[Cialug] I Don't Hate Tikly--a Thoughtful Side-Topic Opinion

[Josh More]

FYI, just because there's a blank labelled  _____email_____ or
____phone____ doesn't mean that you have to tell the truth.

-Professor Baron Von Lincoln III


On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Brett Neese <brett at brettneese.com> wrote:

> Protip: if it's such a big problem, maybe you could simply ask
> Emma<https://twitter.com/emmzzuh>or
> Erin <https://twitter.com/erinrollenhagen> about adding a "tinfoil hat
> mode." The advantages of dealing with your friendly neighborhood web
> startup!
>
> Alternatively, there's whispers about an API soon (along with a rollout of
> a rebuilt system) and maybe you could hack something on top of it.
>
> That being said, they're really focused on ticket sales for music shows
> (more like Tickemaster rather than Meetup) so a bunch of hooligans
> hollering about data probably isn't their biggest concern, to be honest.
>
> </steps off soapbox>
>
> Brett Neese
> 563-210-3459
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 3:17 PM, jim kraai <jimgkraai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Todd,
> >
> > Thank you for the thoughtful emails.
> >
> > My use of services and tolerance for exposure are evolving.  I grew up
> in a
> > community where people were vilified for reacting appropriately to new
> > information or new understanding.  I learned that that behavior was
> foolish
> > and stiltifying to growth.
> >
> > So, I'll offer two bins to throw me into, then:  I'm either a buffoon to
> be
> > ignored or I may be more complicated than is readily apparent.
> >
> > Everyone is free to make their own choice or add to the list.  :-)
> >
> > --jim
> > On Nov 2, 2013 12:17 PM, "Todd Walton" <tdwalton at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 2:34 AM, jim kraai <jimgkraai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > [snip exposition]
> > >
> > > > This is why I prefer to not use third party services that gather any
> > kind
> > > > of data.
> > > >
> > >
> > > My personal comfort level tends towards data promiscuity.  I have a few
> > > personal data elements I consider high-value and guard closely, and the
> > > rest of it I pretty much let loose.  Like Dave said, I don't care if
> you
> > > know where I am on Wednesday night.  On the other end of that, I keep
> an
> > > eyeball tuned to phishing attempts that use that loose data.  A
> separate
> > > axis of concern for me, aside from the data itself, is how many damned
> > > logins I have to maintain, and how many newsletters and reminder emails
> > and
> > > "we miss you" emails I get.  I absolutely hate junk mail, both physical
> > and
> > > electronic.
> > >
> > > So, I'm generally loose.  But I understand that not everyone is.  And I
> > > understand that some people have very good reasons for being more
> > private.
> > > I agree with much of what you say, Jim.  I'd urge the user to relax
> more,
> > > but I'd urge the organizer to be accepting of others' electronic
> > > preferences also.  In my role as organizer I take pro-active steps to
> > > accept participants who are less loose with data or just plain don't
> like
> > > technological gewgaws.  And, anyway, how darn hard is it to keep track
> of
> > > RSVPs without a website to do it with?  Surely not that hard.
> > >
> > > The balance tilts when the value of the technology goes up, of course.
>  I
> > > use Meetup to manage one of my groups.  Although you're certainly
> welcome
> > > to attend the meetings without having signed up for Meetup, and you can
> > > communicate via postcards or carrier pigeon with anyone willing to
> share
> > > with you their mailing address, there is certainly some pressure to
> sign
> > up
> > > with Meetup.com and join the group.  But I'm okay with that.  There is
> a
> > > level of complexity involved in organizing meetings, scheduling them,
> > > making the calendar public, maintaining a mailing list, getting RSVPs,
> > > selectively allowing others to co-manage the group, etc.  Meetup makes
> > all
> > > of that easy.
> > >
> > > It's a balance, I suppose.  If your point is that third party services
> > that
> > > gather data should never be used, then I'd say good luck with that.  If
> > > your point is to say that we should be more selective about using them,
> > and
> > > conscious of their ramifications, then I'm with you.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Todd
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