[Cialug] I Don't Hate Tikly--a Thoughtful Side-Topic Opinion

[Brett Neese]

Protip: if it's such a big problem, maybe you could simply ask
Emma<https://twitter.com/emmzzuh>or
Erin <https://twitter.com/erinrollenhagen> about adding a "tinfoil hat
mode." The advantages of dealing with your friendly neighborhood web
startup!

Alternatively, there's whispers about an API soon (along with a rollout of
a rebuilt system) and maybe you could hack something on top of it.

That being said, they're really focused on ticket sales for music shows
(more like Tickemaster rather than Meetup) so a bunch of hooligans
hollering about data probably isn't their biggest concern, to be honest.

</steps off soapbox>

Brett Neese
563-210-3459



On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 3:17 PM, jim kraai <jimgkraai at gmail.com> wrote:

> Todd,
>
> Thank you for the thoughtful emails.
>
> My use of services and tolerance for exposure are evolving.  I grew up in a
> community where people were vilified for reacting appropriately to new
> information or new understanding.  I learned that that behavior was foolish
> and stiltifying to growth.
>
> So, I'll offer two bins to throw me into, then:  I'm either a buffoon to be
> ignored or I may be more complicated than is readily apparent.
>
> Everyone is free to make their own choice or add to the list.  :-)
>
> --jim
> On Nov 2, 2013 12:17 PM, "Todd Walton" <tdwalton at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 2:34 AM, jim kraai <jimgkraai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > [snip exposition]
> >
> > > This is why I prefer to not use third party services that gather any
> kind
> > > of data.
> > >
> >
> > My personal comfort level tends towards data promiscuity.  I have a few
> > personal data elements I consider high-value and guard closely, and the
> > rest of it I pretty much let loose.  Like Dave said, I don't care if you
> > know where I am on Wednesday night.  On the other end of that, I keep an
> > eyeball tuned to phishing attempts that use that loose data.  A separate
> > axis of concern for me, aside from the data itself, is how many damned
> > logins I have to maintain, and how many newsletters and reminder emails
> and
> > "we miss you" emails I get.  I absolutely hate junk mail, both physical
> and
> > electronic.
> >
> > So, I'm generally loose.  But I understand that not everyone is.  And I
> > understand that some people have very good reasons for being more
> private.
> > I agree with much of what you say, Jim.  I'd urge the user to relax more,
> > but I'd urge the organizer to be accepting of others' electronic
> > preferences also.  In my role as organizer I take pro-active steps to
> > accept participants who are less loose with data or just plain don't like
> > technological gewgaws.  And, anyway, how darn hard is it to keep track of
> > RSVPs without a website to do it with?  Surely not that hard.
> >
> > The balance tilts when the value of the technology goes up, of course.  I
> > use Meetup to manage one of my groups.  Although you're certainly welcome
> > to attend the meetings without having signed up for Meetup, and you can
> > communicate via postcards or carrier pigeon with anyone willing to share
> > with you their mailing address, there is certainly some pressure to sign
> up
> > with Meetup.com and join the group.  But I'm okay with that.  There is a
> > level of complexity involved in organizing meetings, scheduling them,
> > making the calendar public, maintaining a mailing list, getting RSVPs,
> > selectively allowing others to co-manage the group, etc.  Meetup makes
> all
> > of that easy.
> >
> > It's a balance, I suppose.  If your point is that third party services
> that
> > gather data should never be used, then I'd say good luck with that.  If
> > your point is to say that we should be more selective about using them,
> and
> > conscious of their ramifications, then I'm with you.
> >
> > --
> > Todd
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