[Cialug] Ubuntu Edge

Theron Conrey theron at conrey.org
Tue Jul 23 14:50:22 CDT 2013 

I've played with the Firefox OS on real hardware at a few different 
conferences.  The last time was a FISL, with hardware that is actually 
getting ready to be deployed out into brazil.  It seems pretty robust.

Tizen (tizen.org) is another similar "non android platform" that will 
start getting traction in the future as it's coming from hardware 
manufacturers directly.  At linuxcon.jp this year they had a sizable 
booth staffed with samsung employees.

The ubuntu edge device is ambitious.  I don't have 600 bucks laying 
around to invest in a project to wait for my device to arrive next 
year.  If I did, I'm still not sure I'd think that was a solid 
investment as the carriers will try and drive the costs down.  (think 
unlocked phone pricing)

I hope it works though, as it'll help drive the market faster.

Mostly though I'm excited about Firefox OS.

-theron


On 07/22/2013 06:58 PM, Sean Flattery wrote:
> Firefox came out with a phone OS and new graphic recently for entry level
> smart phones.
>
> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/os/
>
> --------------
> So, anyone have thoughts on this?
>
> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
>
> I don't like smartphones but I like the project.  Hopefully they reach
> their funding target.
>
> Besides Android, what are the existing, most-similar options?
>
> Nicolai
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>     1. Re: Noob here, first message to the group! (Barry Von Ahsen)
>     2. Re: Noob here, first message to the group! (Aaron Pilgrim)
>     3. Re: Noob here, first message to the group! (Matt Stanton)
>     4. Re: Noob here, first message to the group! (aaron)
>     5. Ubuntu Edge (Nicolai)
>     6. Re: Ubuntu Edge (Scott Yates)
>     7. Re: Ubuntu Edge (aaron)
>     8. Re: Ubuntu Edge (Jeffrey Ollie)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 15:23:45 -0500
> From: Barry Von Ahsen <barry at vonahsen.com>
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Noob here, first message to the group!
> Message-ID: <D244146A-4197-4D6D-8FE4-084C87EEB121 at vonahsen.com>
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> we rotate the meeting locations, we (almost always) update the website
> before the meetings, but then they fall off after the meeting date
>
> there is also an email or two that goes out here on the mailing list
>
>
> -barry
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2013, at 2:59 PM, aaron wrote:
>
>> On 07/21/2013 11:12 PM, Rob Miller wrote:
>>> Aaron:  We are all noobs in our own unique ways.  The CIALUG is such a
>>> great org IMHO because we can accept one anothers' noob-i-ness and
> continue
>>> to help each other.  Let us know if you can come to one of the monthly
>>> meetings.  The meetings are a lot of fun.  Rob
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Aaron Pilgrim <ampilgrim85 at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>>> On 07/21/2013 08:32 PM, Scott Yates wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Welcome to the group!  There are a lot of great members, and a lot you
> can
>>>>> learn here!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Aaron Pilgrim <ampilgrim85 at gmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>   *Don't know if this is proper, but here goes*
>>>>>> Hello CIALUG members,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My name is Aaron, and I'm a Linux/*nix/Open Source enthusiast in the
>>>>>> extreme. I've been interested in and playing with Linux and Open
> Source
>>>>>> software ever since I started to use FireFox. I use on a daily bases
> many
>>>>>> Open Source applications including FireFox, GIMP, Filezilla, VLC and
>>>>>> Inkscape on both on Linux and Windows platforms, and for the last four
>>>>>> years, I've used a Linux Distro in some form full time with slight,
>>>>>> intermittent spats of Windows rolled in. I currently run a full Linux
>>>>>> Domain operating on a combination of Debian Wheezy and Linux Mint with
>>>>>> Bind
>>>>>> and Apache. I'm currently a student, studying to be a PC technician at
>>>>>> NIACC in North Iowa. I welcome the opportunity to be a part of this
> group
>>>>>> and learn what ever I can about Linux and Open Source.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you all, Aaron.
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>>>> Thank you both for the welcome. I look forward to the experience.
>>>>
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>> Indeed, noobs we all are at some point.
>> I do hope to make a meeting, such a gathering of Linux enthusiastic
> people intrigues me. I'm rather bored with tech geeks who just wanna
> discuss Windows and Games. Not that I'm not a fan of games, just I find the
> system as a whole interesting.
>> Oh, and while I'm on the subject of meetings, where are they held? Are
> they held at the same venue every month or do they rotate? The website said
> almost nothing of the sort, but a time and date.
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> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 15:37:19 -0500
> From: Aaron Pilgrim <ampilgrim85 at gmail.com>
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Noob here, first message to the group!
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> On 07/22/2013 03:17 PM, jim kraai wrote:
>> "I'm rather bored with tech geeks who just wanna discuss Windows and
> Games."
>> Nice!  Welcome!
>>
>> At heart, I'm a mathematician.
>> My first job as a UNIX sysadmin (AIX var) was during college in 1990.
>> I'm a Relational DB enthusiast and SQL expert.
>> I'm an off-and-on Linux user starting 1999.
>> I've spent half of my career as a programmer and half as a tester, each in
>> mostly smaller companies.
>>
>> If you ever want to discuss any of the sciencey-ologies, you'll find
> plenty
>> of thoughtful, capable people in this group, also.
>>
>> --jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM, aaron <ampilgrim85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/21/2013 11:12 PM, Rob Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Aaron:  We are all noobs in our own unique ways.  The CIALUG is such a
>>>> great org IMHO because we can accept one anothers' noob-i-ness and
>>>> continue
>>>> to help each other.  Let us know if you can come to one of the monthly
>>>> meetings.  The meetings are a lot of fun.  Rob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Aaron Pilgrim <ampilgrim85 at gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>    On 07/21/2013 08:32 PM, Scott Yates wrote:
>>>>>    Welcome to the group!  There are a lot of great members, and a lot
> you
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> learn here!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Aaron Pilgrim <ampilgrim85 at gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *Don't know if this is proper, but here goes*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello CIALUG members,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My name is Aaron, and I'm a Linux/*nix/Open Source enthusiast in the
>>>>>>> extreme. I've been interested in and playing with Linux and Open
> Source
>>>>>>> software ever since I started to use FireFox. I use on a daily bases
>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>> Open Source applications including FireFox, GIMP, Filezilla, VLC and
>>>>>>> Inkscape on both on Linux and Windows platforms, and for the last
> four
>>>>>>> years, I've used a Linux Distro in some form full time with slight,
>>>>>>> intermittent spats of Windows rolled in. I currently run a full Linux
>>>>>>> Domain operating on a combination of Debian Wheezy and Linux Mint
> with
>>>>>>> Bind
>>>>>>> and Apache. I'm currently a student, studying to be a PC technician
> at
>>>>>>> NIACC in North Iowa. I welcome the opportunity to be a part of this
>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>> and learn what ever I can about Linux and Open Source.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you all, Aaron.
>>>>>>> ______________________________****_________________
>>>>>>> Cialug mailing list
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>>>>>>    Thank you both for the welcome. I look forward to the experience.
>>>>> ______________________________****_________________
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>>>>>    ______________________________**_________________
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>>> Indeed, noobs we all are at some point.
>>> I do hope to make a meeting, such a gathering of Linux enthusiastic
> people
>>> intrigues me. I'm rather bored with tech geeks who just wanna discuss
>>> Windows and Games. Not that I'm not a fan of games, just I find the
> system
>>> as a whole interesting.
>>>
>>> Oh, and while I'm on the subject of meetings, where are they held? Are
>>> they held at the same venue every month or do they rotate? The website
> said
>>> almost nothing of the sort, but a time and date.
>>>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> Cialug mailing list
>>> Cialug at cialug.org
>>> http://cialug.org/mailman/**listinfo/cialug<
> http://cialug.org/mailman/listinfo/cialug>
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> I look forward to such conversations Jim, that sounds interesting.
> And thank you Barry for the information, I'll look forward for the notices.
>
> -- Regards Aaron, A.K.A ~A.M.P~
> "The day one loses themself, is the day they lose the world" - A.M.P.
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:39:25 -0500
> From: Matt Stanton <matt at itwannabe.com>
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Noob here, first message to the group!
> Message-ID: <a4389e66-e98d-4295-aadc-5f96e9673929.maildroid at localhost>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Clonezilla and LiveCD/DVDs FTW!  And when you're ready to really find some
> fun problems, the Kali/Backtrack Live DVD can come in handy.  ;)
>
> -- Matt (N0BOX)
>
> Sent from my ASUS Transformer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean Flattery <sean.r.flattery at gmail.com>
> To: cialug at cialug.org
> Sent: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 2:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Noob here, first message to the group!
>
> Welcome to the group! As PC tech I'm sure you'll have lots of opportunities
> using Linux to fix windows systems :D
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> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:55:23 -0500
> From: aaron <ampilgrim85 at gmail.com>
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Noob here, first message to the group!
> Message-ID: <51EDAA4B.80604 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 7/22/2013 4:39 PM, Matt Stanton wrote:
>> Clonezilla and LiveCD/DVDs FTW!  And when you're ready to really find
> some fun problems, the Kali/Backtrack Live DVD can come in handy.  ;)
>> -- Matt (N0BOX)
>>
>> Sent from my ASUS Transformer
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sean Flattery <sean.r.flattery at gmail.com>
>> To: cialug at cialug.org
>> Sent: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 2:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Noob here, first message to the group!
>>
>> Welcome to the group! As PC tech I'm sure you'll have lots of
> opportunities
>> using Linux to fix windows systems :D
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cialug mailing list
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> Oh yeah, Clonezilla saved my Windows 7 drive once, I now use it for
> back-ups. As for Kali and Backtrack, I'm not a pen tester, but they
> are... Interesting distros indeed. :XD
>
> --
> Regards Aaron, A.K.A. ~A.M.P.~
> "The day one losses themself, is the day they lose the world." - A.M.P.
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:58:31 -0500
> From: Nicolai <nicolai-cialug at chocolatine.org>
> To: cialug at cialug.org
> Subject: [Cialug] Ubuntu Edge
> Message-ID: <20130722215831.GC16331 at vectra.student.iastate.edu>
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>
> So, anyone have thoughts on this?
>
> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
>
> I don't like smartphones but I like the project.  Hopefully they reach
> their funding target.
>
> Besides Android, what are the existing, most-similar options?
>
> Nicolai
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:05:35 -0500
> From: Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com>
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Ubuntu Edge
> Message-ID:
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>
> I am concerned that if they don't get funded, we don't get re-funded.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Nicolai <nicolai-cialug at chocolatine.org
>> wrote:
>> So, anyone have thoughts on this?
>>
>> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
>>
>> I don't like smartphones but I like the project.  Hopefully they reach
>> their funding target.
>>
>> Besides Android, what are the existing, most-similar options?
>>
>> Nicolai
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:13:54 -0500
> From: aaron <ampilgrim85 at gmail.com>
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Ubuntu Edge
> Message-ID: <51EDAEA2.1010606 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 7/22/2013 4:58 PM, Nicolai wrote:
>> So, anyone have thoughts on this?
>>
>> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
>>
>> I don't like smartphones but I like the project.  Hopefully they reach
>> their funding target.
>>
>> Besides Android, what are the existing, most-similar options?
>>
>> Nicolai
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> My thoughts are that the concept is inspiring, the vision is grand, but
> as Scott has pointed out, it all comes down to funding. A project of
> that size, even to be taken up by a major backer such Canonical is, in
> my opinion, massive. Cynical as I may sound, I hope it comes to be. I
> would truly get behind such an project.
>
> Speaking of which, has any one signed up for the developer beta of the
> Ubuntu Phone?
>
> --
> Regards Aaron, A.K.A. ~A.M.P.~
> "The day one losses themself, is the day they lose the world." - A.M.P.
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:27:23 -0500
> From: Jeffrey Ollie <jeff at ocjtech.us>
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Ubuntu Edge
> Message-ID:
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> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com> wrote:
>> I am concerned that if they don't get funded, we don't get re-funded.
> Although the wording on Indiegogo's web site is a little confusing,
> I'm pretty sure that Canonical will either get $32M or nothing.  If
> Canonical gets nothing, you get your money back within 5 days of the
> end of the campaign.  You may be out the processing fees that PayPal
> or your CC company charges though.
>
> http://support.indiegogo.com/entries/21081743-Refunds
>
> I've never used Indiegogo (or Kickstarter) myself, but I've never
> heard any complaints about Indiegogo (or Kickstarter) not returning
> money if they are supposed to (according to their rules).
>
> --
> Jeff Ollie
>
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