[Cialug] Windows 8

[Rob Miller]

CIALUG is a rather quiet bunch ... not much shouting here or at the meetings
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Prescott Kulow <scott.kulow at gmail.com>wrote:

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> I'm glad to see that this hasn't degenerated into a juvenile "M$ SuXX0rZ"
> shouting match.  Since I am new to the list I was kind of watching this
> thread to see if that would happen.
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> A lot of the major Windows apps such as SQL Server and IIS do have some
> really nice APIs and when combined with Powershell it can really be quite a
> potent combination for automation.  I've seen some people that are used to
> Bash complain about Powershell before, but it requires a slightly different
> mindset.  It is more like programming in a non-scripting language in that
> you pass around objects instead of just text.  They both work, just require
> some different thought processes.
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> And yes, it's good to see Microsoft innovating again, even though it may
> very well backfire on them if they break compatibility with anything in the
> slightest.
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> On 9/13/2011 1:53 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:
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> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Todd Walton <tdwalton at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I'm watching the Microsoft Build Conference keynote right now.
>> They're poring over the upcoming Windows 8.  All in all, it really is
>> an improvement over Windows 7.  (Well, I really haven't used Windows 7
>> very much.  But, the point being, there's lots of improvements.)
>>
>>
>  The part that concerned me was showing off the UFFI boot. It will refuse
> to boot unsigned boot partitions. That might make it a bit hard to replace
> Windows on new PCs.
>
>  The main speaker said something that made me very angry.  He said,
>> (roughly), "in the new world of computing apps must not be siloes and
>> must communicate with other apps through more than just a narrow
>> channel."  I know he's supposed to be 'oh wow' and 'gee whiz', but you
>> know... the only reason Windows apps have been so siloed and greedy is
>> because Microsoft has legislated and incentivized it for so long.  I
>> learned Linux administration long before Windows, and when I came to
>> Windows administration 5 years ago or so, this was one of the things
>> that infuriated me so much.  Every little thing I'd want to do used
>> it's own app, hidden away in its own place, using its own interface.
>> And you could never take the output of one app and give it to another.
>>  Agh!
>>
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>  I don't know that this is a Windows fault, per se. The problem isn't
> exactly that Windows locks up data. As a matter of fact, many of the
> canonical Windows programs have been examples of how to expose the apps data
> and functionality as a service. You could write a shell script (VBScript for
> example) that could completely control MS Word or Adobe Photoshop. In some
> cases there were APIs available to scripts that were very hard to get to in
> the UI (like Photoshop's batch conversion stuff).
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>  It's different from UNIX's pipes or course, but it does let you do some
> pretty cool stuff. As a matter of fact, Windows took a sheet from the UNIX
> play book with Power Shell. I've not used this capability, but as I
> understand it, you can pipe "objects" so that instead of having to parse
> plain text you get an actual object, with it's data and methods. That sounds
> pretty cool.
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>  Now it just so happens that few application developers go through the
> trouble of exposing their API in such a way. These then become silos.
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>  The demo was quite impressive. I'm glad to see MS innovating again. From
> mobile and from Apple they're getting some serious competition and they're
> having to really push the limits. I've said it before and I'll say it again,
> competition is great.
>
>  (oh, and yes, I saw several things that have been around for a while on
> Linux - for example, application developers can sync their services' data
> using Windows Live. Sounds a bit like Ubuntu One...)
>
>  --
> Matthew Nuzum
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