CIALUG is a rather quiet bunch ... not much shouting here or at the meetings ... <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Prescott Kulow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scott.kulow@gmail.com">scott.kulow@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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I'm glad to see that this hasn't degenerated into a juvenile "M$
SuXX0rZ" shouting match. Since I am new to the list I was kind of
watching this thread to see if that would happen.<br>
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A lot of the major Windows apps such as SQL Server and IIS do have
some really nice APIs and when combined with Powershell it can
really be quite a potent combination for automation. I've seen some
people that are used to Bash complain about Powershell before, but
it requires a slightly different mindset. It is more like
programming in a non-scripting language in that you pass around
objects instead of just text. They both work, just require some
different thought processes.<br>
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And yes, it's good to see Microsoft innovating again, even though it
may very well backfire on them if they break compatibility with
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On 9/13/2011 1:53 PM, Matthew Nuzum wrote:
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Todd
Walton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tdwalton@gmail.com" target="_blank">tdwalton@gmail.com</a>></span>
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I'm watching the Microsoft Build Conference keynote right now.<br>
They're poring over the upcoming Windows 8. All in all, it
really is<br>
an improvement over Windows 7. (Well, I really haven't used
Windows 7<br>
very much. But, the point being, there's lots of
improvements.)<br>
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<div>The part that concerned me was showing off the UFFI boot.
It will refuse to boot unsigned boot partitions. That might
make it a bit hard to replace Windows on new PCs.</div>
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speaker said something that made me very angry. He said,<br>
(roughly), "in the new world of computing apps must not be
siloes and<br>
must communicate with other apps through more than just a
narrow<br>
channel." I know he's supposed to be 'oh wow' and 'gee whiz',
but you<br>
know... the only reason Windows apps have been so siloed and
greedy is<br>
because Microsoft has legislated and incentivized it for so
long. I<br>
learned Linux administration long before Windows, and when I
came to<br>
Windows administration 5 years ago or so, this was one of the
things<br>
that infuriated me so much. Every little thing I'd want to do
used<br>
it's own app, hidden away in its own place, using its own
interface.<br>
And you could never take the output of one app and give it to
another.<br>
Agh!<br>
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<div>I don't know that this is a Windows fault, per se. The
problem isn't exactly that Windows locks up data. As a matter of
fact, many of the canonical Windows programs have been examples
of how to expose the apps data and functionality as a service.
You could write a shell script (VBScript for example) that could
completely control MS Word or Adobe Photoshop. In some cases
there were APIs available to scripts that were very hard to get
to in the UI (like Photoshop's batch conversion stuff).</div>
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<div>It's different from UNIX's pipes or course, but it does let
you do some pretty cool stuff. As a matter of fact, Windows took
a sheet from the UNIX play book with Power Shell. I've not used
this capability, but as I understand it, you can pipe "objects"
so that instead of having to parse plain text you get an actual
object, with it's data and methods. That sounds pretty cool.</div>
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<div>Now it just so happens that few application developers go
through the trouble of exposing their API in such a way. These
then become silos.</div>
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<div>The demo was quite impressive. I'm glad to see MS innovating
again. From mobile and from Apple they're getting some serious
competition and they're having to really push the limits. I've
said it before and I'll say it again, competition is great.</div>
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<div>(oh, and yes, I saw several things that have been around for
a while on Linux - for example, application developers can sync
their services' data using Windows Live. Sounds a bit like
Ubuntu One...)</div>
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