[Cialug] Ubuntu 11.04

[Theron Conrey]

Lee, marketing convo aside, I'll make a point of being at the next meeting
to listen and try and understand what you're talking about. I assume there's
something broken if you feel so strongly it's unusable.

I upgraded my system without really thinking about it, everything seems to
be different, but in order.
No issues, a ton of differences, but no issues.

Theron


On May 20, 2011 9:19 AM, "L. V. Lammert" <lvl at omnitec.net> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 19 May 2011, Nicolai wrote:
>
> > While we're on the subject, OpenBSD is written for and by its
> > developers.  Since its developers enjoy everyday "user" software like
> > Firefox and gimp and so on, and use modern hardware, they are supported.
> >
> > > Your comment about going to the openBSD mailing list is the same as
asking
> > > for BBQ advice on a vegan forum.
> >
> And that proves the point - there is absolutely no reason to try and link
> this discussion with a nicely done OS that cares nothing at all for the
> marketplace.
>
> > Ask yourself: is it a "totally worthless philosophy" for people on this
> > list to make basic configuration changes on their own boxes?  Of course
> > not: we were talking about different things.
> >
> Indded it is, but not for the reason you are citing - Ubuntu is doing
> itself a GREAT disservice with it's scatter-gun marketing philosophy.
> Using untested, unworkable, and unappreciated technology in a product that
> is "designed for the asses" is, and you have to agree, pretty dumb.
>
> I said nothing about our end of the marketplace, however Ubuntu has had
> for many years a marketing direction of mass appeal. Certainly you agree
> that there is little mass appeal with such changes? *Especially* the ones
> that don't work? You also have to agree that to ask users to tweak code in
> order to make the system usable is also completely a non-starter.
>
> > Here is the misunderstanding: I was talking about how to fix the problem
> > people here were complaining about, while Lee (and maybe others) were
> > talking about how to beat Microsoft.  We don't have the same motivations
> > for using Unix.
> >
> Nobody was talking about fixing problems - I, and others [IOW the
> 'marketplace'] expect Ubuntu to provide a product that meets the marketing
> philosophy expoused by the company. 11.04 DOES NOT! At the very LEAST, I
> expect a product that is *usable* upon installation.
>
>        Lee
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