[Cialug] New hosting solution

Wed Jan 20 15:47:19 CST 2010

We're not going after someone that has tons of photos, or someone that uses
tons of resources.  We're going after someone that is savy enough to know
they don't need support, and has a website that isn't super heavy.

With our current hosting company, across all of our domains hosted, we have
found that 85% of the websites fall between 10-50MB.  

Take for instance a site we host - http://www.trustygetto.com/- this site is
obviously running wordpress, doesn't bang on the CPU, uses 150MB of space
and just under 2GB of bandwidth.  It's a good looking site, runs pretty
well, and doesn't abuse system resources.  I'd love to host sites like this
all day long.

These are the size and types of sites that we are targeting with $1 per
month hosting.  

-----Original Message-----
From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org] On Behalf
Of Daniel A. Ramaley
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:33 PM
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
Subject: Re: [Cialug] New hosting solution

I think the 3 GB might be more of a problem since they have a 1 GB 
limit.

I'm in a similar situation. I have a personal server that has a few GB 
of my own photos up for my family to view. Amount of CPU/bandwidth used 
is very low. But the storage is a bit high. So far i've never seen a 
hosted plan that is cheaper than just running my own server because 
every plan always provides too little storage space.

On 2010-01-20 at 15:29:10, Afan Pasalic wrote:
>I have an account at hostmonster.com and I had Gallery2 installed on
> it. the Gallery had tons of pictures, over 3GB but number of visitors
> are in tens a day. The Gallery was accessible for Family, cousins and
> some friends. I think it would be ok with your policy.
>
>Though, to add new images I used the Gallery2 feature: FTP images on
> the server in temp directory. Then G2 will take them and make an
> album. Usually between 50 and 150 images will be processed. Almost
> every time after I run the G2 it will block my account for 5-10
> minutes because I used more process then I'm allowed. But, when I
> talked to tech support they said if it's ok with me - it's ok with
> them too to block me. It was ok with me: better that way then upload
> image by image. :-)
>
>If I "harass" the processor 2-3 times a month because of G2 - would
> you close mu account?
>
>Afan
>
>Matt Breitbach wrote:
>> From Dreamhost :
>>
>> 7.Servers are shared with other customers, and as such IRC-related
>> activities or severely CPU intensive CGI scripts (e.g. chat scripts,
>> scripts which have bugs causing them to not close properly after
>> being run, etc.) are not encouraged. Any application that listens
>> for inbound network connections (even if the application would
>> otherwise be allowed) are not permitted. BitTorrent clients, proxy
>> servers/scripts, IRC bots and bouncers (BNC) specifically may not be
>> run on any DreamHost Web Hosting server. If your processes are
>> adversely affecting server performance disproportionately DreamHost
>> Web Hosting reserves the right to negotiate additional charges with
>> the Customer and/or the discontinuation of the offending processes.
>>
>> From GoDaddy :
>>
>> You agree Go Daddy reserves the right to remove Your web site
>> temporarily or permanently from its servers if Go Daddy is the
>> recipient of activities that threaten the stability of its network.
>>
>> From 1&1 :
>>
>> 7.16.
>> You shall at all times use Web Site Space exclusively as a
>> conventional Web Site. You shall not use the Web Site Space or Your
>> Services in any way which may result in an excessive load on the 1&1
>> Equipment, including but not limited to installing or running web
>> proxies, using your allotted space as online backup or storage, or
>> mirroring mass downloads. Use of Web Site Space and Your Services
>> shall be in a manner consistent with this Agreement and shall not in
>> any way impair the functioning or operation of 1&1's Equipment or
>> network. Should your use of the 1&1 Services result in an overly
>> high load on the 1&1 Equipment, in 1&1's sole discretion, 1&1 may
>> suspend your account until the cause of any such overload is
>> determined and resolved.
>>
>> 14.4.
>> You further agree that in the event that 1&1 believes, in its sole
>> discretion, that you have breached any provision(s) of Section 7 of
>> this Agreement, or any of its subparts, by storing or allowing
>> material such as that described in the aforementioned Section 7, or
>> any of its subparagraphs, to be transmitted by 1&1's Equipment, that
>> 1&1 may without any liability to you, and in addition to any other
>> remedies, erase or purge such materials from 1&1's Equipment without
>> prior notice to you.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd say that most, if not all hosting companies have some verbiage
>> in their TOS that allows them to disable and delete an account if it
>> is abusing the servers.  For a buck a month, I'm certainly going to
>> shut down a blog that has 10,000 readers and consistently puts a .3
>> load on a shared server.  Most websites don't do that though.  The
>> verbiage is there simply to let people know that they shouldn't try
>> to host kcci.com on a 1 dollar a month plan, or try to use their
>> site as an FTP dump.  I don't expect that I will immediately delete
>> any site that accidentally spikes the CPU due to unexpected load,
>> but I do want to have verbiage that lets me delete
>> iamagooglehacker.com from my server immediately when they try port
>> scanning all of googles servers from my datacenter.
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org]
>> On Behalf Of Todd Walton
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:02 PM
>> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] New hosting solution
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Matt Breitbach
>>
>> <matthewb at flash.shanje.com> wrote:
>>> The policy of monopolizing CPU/Bandwidth/Memory is pretty standard
>>> across all hosting platforms.  If you look at anyone's TOS, it
>>> usually says something very similar.  We just decided not to bury
>>> it.
>>
>> Including the deleting part?  I always thought standard procedure
>> was to throttle resource usage before it gets out of hand, not to
>> ask users to do it and then take drastic action when they mess up.
>>
>> --
>> Todd
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