[Cialug] "Going Google"

[Jeff Davis]

Having your data on some third party's machine adds risk in the form of
that
company's employees and any other physical or technological security
vulnerabilities they have.

Saying "the cloud is insecure and OUR infrastructure is safe" is a false
choice.
 "Our" infrastructure is more easily monitored by "us" and we can more
easily make changes to mitigate risks.

I have worked for a SaaS company where they hid and occasionally
outrighted lied
about the security of the customer's data.  So it would be difficult for
you to convince
me that my data is equally as secure in the hands of third party. 
Certainly not every company
is like that, but you have no way of knowing which ones are and which
are not.

Interestingly, about 8 months ago a vendor in a meeting made a similar
statement about how
cloud computing was coming and we should all figure out how to migrate
to it and manage it.
Several people spoke up and asked the question of who or what is forcing
this change?
Cloud computing is a resource that may or may not fit your business model.

-Jeff


On 4/16/2010 6:03 PM, Jim Asbille wrote:
> Everything you just said applies to any software construct.  There is
> a mindset that the cloud is insecure and OUR infrastructure is safe
> but I don't buy it 9 times out of 10.
>
> Companies are drowning in the cost of infrastructure and licensing. IT
> services are NOT the core business of most businesses so it makes
> sense to license that out to companies that DO have that as their core
> business.  SaaS companies are making leaps and bounds on security,
> HIPAA and the like but we IT people keep parroting the same old mantra.
>
> Blah blah blah lock in, blah blah blah security.  Its happening,
> better figure out how to make it work.
>
>
> Jim Asbille, MSM
> registered Linux user number 388067
>
> "Focusing your life solely on making a buck shows a certain poverty of
> ambition. It asks too little of yourself. Because it's only when you
> hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you realize
> your true potential." -- Barack Obama
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Nathan C. Smith
> <nathan.smith at ipmvs.com <mailto:nathan.smith at ipmvs.com>> wrote:
>
>     My argument against is fanatical, er financial. 
>      
>     I like to compare it to Novell and Microsoft in the early 90s. 
>     Novell Netware was the leader and Microsoft NT had just come on
>     the scene.  There was an expensive per-seat licensing scheme for
>     Novell and Microsoft had a one license, everybody in licensing
>     scheme.  This got MS into companies and made them dominant and
>     pretty much killed Novell even though the NT server product at the
>     time was not as stable as Novell.  Now you have to buy MS Client
>     Access licenses in addition to server licenses for every client
>     that connects.
>      
>     So right now SaaS and the cloud is cheap but as soon as everyone
>     is on there will be rising subscription pricing and endless
>     revenue streams for providers.
>      
>     My advice to anyone getting on, is to make sure they have an exit
>     strategy and understand the requirements to get off/out.
>      
>     And I didn't even get into my security and privacy concerns,
>     particularly with Google.
>      
>     -Nate
>
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>         *From:* cialug-bounces at cialug.org
>         <mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org>
>         [mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org
>         <mailto:cialug-bounces at cialug.org>] *On Behalf Of *Jim Asbille
>         *Sent:* Friday, April 16, 2010 4:30 PM
>         *To:* Central Iowa Linux Users Group
>         *Subject:* Re: [Cialug] "Going Google"
>
>         Is going Google such a bad idea?  Cloud computing can be very
>         beneficial for companies.
>
>
>         Jim Asbille, MSM
>         registered Linux user number 388067
>
>         "Focusing your life solely on making a buck shows a certain
>         poverty of ambition. It asks too little of yourself. Because
>         it's only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than
>         yourself that you realize your true potential." -- Barack Obama
>
>
>
>         On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Todd Walton
>         <tdwalton at gmail.com <mailto:tdwalton at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>             http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B2wq4ihfovDQMjFjZDFiY2MtODE2Ni00OTYxLTk2NjktOWUxMWE2NTFlYTgz&hl=en
>             <http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B2wq4ihfovDQMjFjZDFiY2MtODE2Ni00OTYxLTk2NjktOWUxMWE2NTFlYTgz&hl=en>
>
>             "Going Google" means switching your business to Google
>             Apps.  C'mon
>             guys!  Let's spread the word!
>
>             ...I found this groan-worthy ad on the back side of this
>             week's Economist.
>
>             --
>             Todd
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