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Having your data on some third party's machine adds risk in the form of
that <br>
company's employees and any other physical or technological security
vulnerabilities they have.<br>
<br>
Saying "the cloud is insecure and OUR infrastructure is safe" is a
false choice.<br>
"Our" infrastructure is more easily monitored by "us" and we can more
easily make changes to mitigate risks.<br>
<br>
I have worked for a SaaS company where they hid and occasionally
outrighted lied <br>
about the security of the customer's data. So it would be difficult
for you to convince<br>
me that my data is equally as secure in the hands of third party.
Certainly not every company <br>
is like that, but you have no way of knowing which ones are and which
are not.<br>
<br>
Interestingly, about 8 months ago a vendor in a meeting made a similar
statement about how <br>
cloud computing was coming and we should all figure out how to migrate
to it and manage it.<br>
Several people spoke up and asked the question of who or what is
forcing this change?<br>
Cloud computing is a resource that may or may not fit your business
model.<br>
<br>
-Jeff<br>
<br>
<br>
On 4/16/2010 6:03 PM, Jim Asbille wrote:
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cite="mid:o2q60fcb45d1004161603h522031b7h7c87a954f5dca826@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Everything you just said applies to any software
construct. There is a mindset that the cloud is insecure and OUR
infrastructure is safe but I don't buy it 9 times out of 10. <br>
<br>
Companies are drowning in the cost of infrastructure and licensing. IT
services are NOT the core business of most businesses so it makes sense
to license that out to companies that DO have that as their core
business. SaaS companies are making leaps and bounds on security,
HIPAA and the like but we IT people keep parroting the same old mantra.<br>
<br>
Blah blah blah lock in, blah blah blah security. Its happening, better
figure out how to make it work.<br>
<br>
<br clear="all">
Jim Asbille, MSM<br>
registered Linux user number 388067 <br>
<br>
"Focusing your life solely on making a buck shows a certain poverty of
ambition. It asks too little of yourself. Because it's only when you
hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you realize
your true potential." -- Barack Obama<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Nathan C.
Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nathan.smith@ipmvs.com">nathan.smith@ipmvs.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"
size="2">My argument against is fanatical, er financial. </font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"
size="2">I like to compare it to Novell and Microsoft in the early
90s. Novell Netware was the leader and Microsoft NT had just come on
the scene. There was an expensive per-seat licensing scheme for Novell
and Microsoft had a one license, everybody in licensing scheme. This
got MS into companies and made them dominant and pretty much killed
Novell even though the NT server product at the time was not as stable
as Novell. Now you have to buy MS Client Access licenses in addition
to server licenses for every client that connects.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"
size="2">So right now SaaS and the cloud is cheap but as soon as
everyone is on there will be rising subscription pricing and endless
revenue streams for providers.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"
size="2">My advice to anyone getting on, is to make sure they have an
exit strategy and understand the requirements to get off/out.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"
size="2">And I didn't even get into my security and privacy concerns,
particularly with Google.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"
size="2">-Nate</font></span></div>
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<hr> <font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org"
target="_blank">cialug-bounces@cialug.org</a> [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cialug-bounces@cialug.org"
target="_blank">cialug-bounces@cialug.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim
Asbille<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 16, 2010 4:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Central Iowa Linux Users Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cialug] "Going Google"<br>
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<div class="h5"> Is going Google such a bad idea? Cloud
computing can be very beneficial for companies.<br>
<br>
<br clear="all">
Jim Asbille, MSM<br>
registered Linux user number 388067 <br>
<br>
"Focusing your life solely on making a buck shows a certain poverty of
ambition. It asks too little of yourself. Because it's only when you
hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you realize
your true potential." -- Barack Obama<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Todd
Walton <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tdwalton@gmail.com" target="_blank">tdwalton@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B2wq4ihfovDQMjFjZDFiY2MtODE2Ni00OTYxLTk2NjktOWUxMWE2NTFlYTgz&hl=en"
target="_blank">http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B2wq4ihfovDQMjFjZDFiY2MtODE2Ni00OTYxLTk2NjktOWUxMWE2NTFlYTgz&hl=en</a><br>
<br>
"Going Google" means switching your business to Google Apps. C'mon<br>
guys! Let's spread the word!<br>
<br>
...I found this groan-worthy ad on the back side of this week's
Economist.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Todd<br>
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