[Cialug] Asterisk, IAXYs and IAX (was Des Moines Area ISPs)
Nathan C. Smith
cialug@cialug.org
Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:10:29 -0500
It's probably one of those polarizing issues.
I've read and irc'd with people enough to beleieve that most of the VOIP
wireless phones are crap and have firmware problems except for the Hitachi.
The Hitachi has some features that anyone who deals with wireless networks
would find a handy tool too.
-Nate
-----Original Message-----
From: n00b [mailto:admin@c0wzftp.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:48 PM
To: cialug@cialug.org
Subject: RE: [Cialug] Asterisk, IAXYs and IAX (was Des Moines Area ISPs)
what have you read?
-----Original Message-----
From: "Nathan C. Smith" <smith@ipmvs.com>
To: "'cialug@cialug.org'" <cialug@cialug.org>
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:36:59 -0500
Subject: RE: [Cialug] Asterisk, IAXYs and IAX (was Des Moines Area ISPs)
> Based only on what I've read, I would not go near a wireless VOIP
> phone.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave J. Hala Jr. [mailto:dave@58ghz.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:32 AM
> To: Cialug
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Asterisk, IAXYs and IAX (was Des Moines Area
> ISPs)
>
>
>
> It just depends on how you lay it and how big your cells are...
>
> I really think it can done - on a small to medium sized scale...
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2005-04-14 at 11:23, Tom Pohl wrote:
> > LOL yeah, just like that ;)
> >
> > The problem with WDS is that with each hop, you cut the bandwidth in
> > half because it's not a full-duplex radio. By the time you get 4-5
> > hops away you're sharing a whopping straw that makes dialup look good
> > ;)
> >
> > -Tom
> >
> > On Apr 14, 2005, at 11:09 AM, Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
> >
> > > Get an 802.11b voip phone. Get a bunch of linksys wrtg's running
> the
> > > sveasoft software using wds on them, and connect it all back to
> > > asterisk. Poof! You're now voip cell phone coop.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2005-04-14 at 10:58, Dave Weis wrote:
> > >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Jonathan Bailey wrote:
> > >>> 1. Hardware. You'd be looking at a 2Ghz-ish box with at least a
> gig
> > >>> of
> > >>> memory.
> > >>> 2. Bandwidth. Marshallnet - I think they have some to spare :-D
> > >>> Don't know
> > >>> if it would be at the colo rate or what.
> > >>> 3. Termination/local DIDs - probably get a fractional T1 from
> qwest,
> > >>> but can
> > >>> you get DSM DIDs in Marshalltown, etc?
> > >>> 4. LD - Probably go through IAXtel or similar - ~2cents/min or
> so, I
> > >>> think.
> > >>
> > >> The box wouldn't have to be quite that beefy but probably close.
> > >> I will offer the service if we have enough people pre signup.
> > >> Monthly
> cost
> > >> will
> > >> be about $750 for me to do it including the qwest circuit and
> getting
> > >> it
> > >> to my location.
> > >>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]
> > >>> On Behalf Of Nathan C. Smith
> > >>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:25 AM
> > >>> To: 'cialug@cialug.org'
> > >>> Subject: RE: [Cialug] Asterisk, IAXYs and IAX (was Des Moines
> Area
> > >>> ISPs)
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> So how would an asterisk Coop work? We would need:
> > >>> a machine,
> > >>> a place to host it
> > >>> Internet bandwidth with necessary room and/or QoS a small race
> of
> > >>> elf-like
> > >>> genius computer operators to manage it.
> > >>>
> > >>> People could get individual accounts from companies like
> voicepulse
> > >>> or
> > >>> Nufone and just host them on the box, that could make it easy to
> > >>> skirt
> > >>> billing issues. What codecs would we allow, what protocols to
> > >>> connect? IAX
> > >>> and/or SIP? (forgone conclusion: no h.323!).
> > >>>
> > >>> There is a new version of the IAXy out, I don't know if the
> firmware
> > >>> is any
> > >>> different (improved) or not. I have one of the netweb phones
> loaded
> > >>> with
> > >>> IAX, it works fine too, but you cannot configure it with
> > >>> multiple hosts like you can the IAXy. BTW, if you use Windows
> > >>> there is a really good IAXy
> > >>> provisioning tool available.
> > >>>
> > >>> Pulvers' thing is Bellster - I know the name changed, but I
> > >>> can't think of it right now either.
> > >>>
> > >>> The IAXY's are kind of overpriced when you compare them to the
> > >>> capabilities
> > >>> of a Sipura 2000, but the Sipura's only support SIP at this time.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Nate
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Tom Pohl [mailto:tom@tcpconsulting.com]
> > >>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:46 AM
> > >>> To: cialug@cialug.org
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Des Moines Area ISPs
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I agree on the whole co-op asterisk thing! Actually, there's a
> > >>> project
> > >>> that Jeff Pulver started to do just that sort of thing on a
> national
> > >>> or
> > >>> international scale. I can't remember the name at the moment.
> > >>>
> > >>> I really like my iaxy's I've setup about 5 of them with great
> > >>> success
> > >>> with all of them. The best part is that there are no NAT woes
> with
> > >>> them! One of my iaxy's I bridge to the wireless network so I
> > >>> can have an extension in a room that otherwise has no phone
> > >>> options.
> > >>>
> > >>> The only thing that concerns me is that there is absolutely no
> > >>> security
> > >>> on the device. Anyone on the local network can re-provision it!
> > >>> Maybe
> > >>> it's more secure if you setup iaxy provisioning from asterisk,
> but
> > >>> I've
> > >>> never tried. I use them both on local networks as well as over
> the
> > >>> internet just fine!
> > >>>
> > >>> One of my business partners keeps his at his store on a mediacom
> > >>> connection and the pbx is on a dsl line and it works great!
> > >>> I've also trunked the business pbx to my home pbx for my
> > >>> extensions and
> have it
> > >>> roll out to my cell phone if I'm not reached on the VOIP
> > >>> network.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Tom
> > >>>
> > >>> On Apr 14, 2005, at 9:02 AM, Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> It's kind of silly that so many people in our group are
> > >>>> throwing their money
> > >>>> at Vonage when we could do so some kind of a co-op thing with
> > >>>> Asterisk.
> > >>>> There are several outbound services like nufone that let you
> keep an
> > >>>> account
> > >>>> balance and bill it as you use the minutes, a much less
> expensive
> > >>>> proposition than Vonage. We just need a provider like *cough*
> > >>>> Internetsolver who could provide inbound DIDs.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Tom, what has your experience with the IAXy been like? I've
> > >>>> had mixed results with the one I've tried, using it in a DHCP
> > >>>> environment.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Freese-notis is also busy exploring VOIP and hopes to terminate
> DIDs
> > >>>> in the
> > >>>> future.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -Nate
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Tom Pohl [mailto:tom@tcpconsulting.com]
> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:45 AM
> > >>>> To: cialug@cialug.org
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Des Moines Area ISPs
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It's a shame that vonage aren't asterisk friendly on your first
> > >>>> line.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In my house, I use a mix of grandstream budgetone phones
> > >>>> (http://grandstream.com/y-bt100.htm) and Digium's iaxy's
> connected
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> normal phones (http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=iaxy) to
> talk to
> > >>>> my asterisk pbx.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I've used VoicePulse's connect service
> > >>>> (http://connect.voicepulse.com/) to get an inbound DID, but
> > >>>> unfortunately, they don't have any Iowa numbers yet.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -Tom
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Apr 13, 2005, at 8:26 PM, n00b wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> you can have 2 seperate lines on my adapter (linksys pap2).
> check
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>> configuration of whatever device you get as to how many lines
> it
> > >>>>> supports.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> i have all the phones in my house on the same line on my pap2.
> this
> > >>>>> was easy for me (sine i have cable). with cable, you just
> > >>>>> disconnect
> > >>>>> qwests lines from your phone network terminal outside, getting
> rid
> > >>>>> of
> > >>>>> any voltage that could be coming in from them, then plug a
> > >>>>> cord into your phone adapter and the other end into a wall
> > >>>>> jack. any
> phone
> > >>>>> that
> > >>>>> was on the same line as that jack should have dialtone. with
> dsl
> > >>>>> i'm
> > >>>>> not sure how you'd do
> > >>>>> this same setup except for running new phone wires everywhere
> in
> > >>>>> your
> > >>>>> home. i use a cordless so its kinda like the benifit of wifi.
> no
> > >>>>> need
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>> run extra wires.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> hope this helps. if you want a more through explanation on how
> to
> > >>>>> do
> > >>>>> a better setup look in vonages help pages.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> neal
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: "Alan Maupin" <alan.maupin@mchsi.com>
> > >>>>> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
> > >>>>> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:09:37 -0500
> > >>>>> Subject: RE: [Cialug] Des Moines Area ISPs
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Jon, -- how do I setup two phone's on Vonage, up and down
> stairs?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I've been looking into getting Vonage to replace Quest phone
> > >>>>>> service. At first glance it looks very good with all of the
> free
> > >>>>>> options such as 3-way calling and the email/phone
> > >>>>>> integration.
>
> > >>>>>> The
> > >>>>>> problem I've run into is
> > >>>>>> having a phone setup on the first and second floor of my
> > >>>>>> home. According to the Vonage representative I can only use
> > >>>>>> one broadband phone adapter
> > >>>>>> per
> > >>>>>> phone line since it involves the mac address of the phone
> > >>>>>> adapter. I
> > >>>>>> would
> > >>>>>> connect the phone adapter to my router upstairs and connect a
> > >>>>>> phone
> > >>>>>> to
> > >>>>>> it.
> > >>>>>> The problem is how do I connect my phone downstairs?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org
> > >>>>>> [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]
> On
> > >>>>>> Behalf Of Bailey, Jonathan C
> > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:41 PM
> > >>>>>> To: cialug@cialug.org
> > >>>>>> Subject: RE: [Cialug] Des Moines Area ISPs
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> If the DSL kept going out whenever your phone rings, that
> usually
> > >>>>>> means you
> > >>>>>> aren't using filters.. Had that with a local business..
> > >>>>>> Embarassing
> > >>>>>> call to
> > >>>>>> tech support..
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> As for VoIP, I'm switching to Vonage to keep my local number
> when
> > >>>>>> I
> > >>>>>> move. Just waiting to see if Qwest will switch me to
> standalone
> > >>>>>> DSL
> > >>>>>> or just disconnect me completely when the LNP is done.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Jon
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org
> [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On
> > >>>>>> Behalf
> > >>>>>> Of Tim Perdue
> > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:37 PM
> > >>>>>> To: cialug@cialug.org
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Des Moines Area ISPs
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> timwilson011@mchsi.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Mediacom, basically because that's what I signed up with 4+
> years
> > >>>>>> ago. At
> > >>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>> time, DSL couldn't give the bandwidth cable could. It still
> > >>>>>>> can't,
> > >>>>>> but it
> > >>>>>> is
> > >>>>>>> much better than it used to be. I've been toying with the
> idea
> > >>>>>>> of
> > >>>>>> switching to
> > >>>>>>> DSL (and InternetSolver), but just haven't been pushed
> > >>>>>>> (read: pissed
> > >>>>>> off)
> > >>>>>> enough
> > >>>>>>> I guess.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I wonder whatever happened to multiple ISPs on cable...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I had really good luck with Mediacom for ~4 years, but
> switched to
> > >>>>>> DSL (freese notis) so I could have a fixed IP and servers
> online.
> > >>>>>> VOIP seems to be happier with DSL too. The cable modem
> > >>>>>> network apparently has no UPS anywhere, as it is offline as
> > >>>>>> soon as
> your
> > >>>>>> house lights dim.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> DSL was going offline a lot whenever the phone would ring,
> > >>>>>> but
> I
> > >>>>>> finally just canceled the phone service and it works fine
> > >>>>>> now.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Tim
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