[Cialug] OT: USB Issues

Thu Jul 7 02:08:18 UTC 2022

nVidia has released the kernel parts of the nVidia GPU driver as open
source for only relatively new GPUs. It's not part of the vanilla kernel
yet. And it's mostly code for datacenter GPU tasks like machine learning
etc. The old open source drivers ARE slow, you won't be running AAA games
with them.

https://www.makeuseof.com/nvidia-open-sources-gpu-driver-for-linux/

On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 6:24 PM David Champion <dchamp1337 at gmail.com> wrote:

> They have released the nVidia GPU driver as Open Source now.
>
> I've found that the old open source drivers were super slow, have been
> using the proprietary nVidia driver for years and never have any problems
> with it. For native games (i.e. the "Source" games, Borderlands etc) run
> really smoothly.
>
> -dc
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 5:28 PM Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com> wrote:
>
> > Interesting!  I did not know about the work on the game drivers for AMD
> > under Linux.  Good deal.  Would be nice to have stable and fast drivers
> for
> > AMD in Windows too.
> >
> > Thanks for your perspective!
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 5:24 PM Jeffrey Ollie <jeff at ocjtech.us> wrote:
> >
> > > My understanding is that nVidia GPUs can be "made to work" for gaming
> on
> > > Linux, while AMD GPUs "just work". Steam & AMD did a lot of work on the
> > > open source AMD GPU drivers for the Steam Deck launch while nVidia is
> > stuck
> > > with the proprietary drivers.
> > >
> > > I've got a couple of desktops with nVidia cards and I had to disable
> the
> > > proprietary drivers because they were just too unstable. I don't really
> > > game or do much with 3D so no big deal for me - the performance of the
> > open
> > > source nVidia drivers is good enough for me.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 4:08 PM Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I thought nVidia GPUs were pretty well supported for gaming on Linux
> > too?
> > > > In Windows at least nVidia is still better.  Drivers are the main
> issue
> > > for
> > > > AMD GPUs in Windows (as always).
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 4:00 PM Jeffrey Ollie <jeff at ocjtech.us>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Windows or Linux? Linux gaming finally seems to be here thanks to
> the
> > > > Steam
> > > > > Deck but only if you use AMD GPUs.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 9:57 PM Tim Wilson <
> tim_linux at wilson-home.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I checked with Dymin. They charged me $20 plus tax to test the
> > > > processor.
> > > > > > They said it failed. So either I mishandled it or Best Buy did,
> or
> > > the
> > > > > > board fried it. It was working before I sent in the motherboard
> for
> > > > > > testing. Guess I should’ve taken both to Dymin then. But I
> thought
> > > > > Gigabyte
> > > > > > would repair it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So now comes the decision. Buy parts, or buy a new PC? And if I
> buy
> > > > > parts,
> > > > > > stick with AMD, or go Intel?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 11:40 PM Scott Yates <
> Scott at yatesframe.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You might check with Dymin computers
> > > > > > > <https://www.dyminsystems.com/repair-and-sales/>.  They might
> be
> > > > able
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > help diagnose.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 9:32 PM Tim Wilson <
> > > > tim_linux at wilson-home.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tried a different PSU, no luck. The fans turn on, I hear a
> > click
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > speaker, but no beeps, no video. Is there any place that
> would
> > > test
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > processor and/or MB for a reasonable fee?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 9:52 PM Scott Yates <
> > > Scott at yatesframe.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Also, if i had an extra CPU, i would make it available to
> > test.
> > > > > > Anyone
> > > > > > > > > else have one that might fit AM4?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 9:44 PM Scott Yates <
> > > > Scott at yatesframe.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > While it is not for sure, it is VERY often the case that
> > the
> > > > psu
> > > > > > > > absorbs
> > > > > > > > > > the majority of damage during electrical "events".
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Even though the motherboard and things are often more
> > > delicate,
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > always
> > > > > > > > > > seems to affect the PSU more than you would expect.
> > > Sometimes
> > > > it
> > > > > > > makes
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > marginal, sometimes it kills it outright.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 9:42 PM Tim Wilson <
> > > > > > > tim_linux at wilson-home.com>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> This PC is the same, no speaker. But the MB has a
> header,
> > > so I
> > > > > dug
> > > > > > > > out a
> > > > > > > > > >> speaker from an old PC. I hear some clicks when it
> powers
> > > up,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > >> beeps.
> > > > > > > > > >> I don’t see an LED display. The power LED blinks when
> > > holding
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > >> button, but it never powers down. Gotta flip the PSU
> > > switch. I
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > get a
> > > > > > > > > >> new MB cheap, NewEgg has it on sale. But if it’s the
> > > > processor,
> > > > > > I’d
> > > > > > > > > >> probably switch to Intel instead of AMD.
> > > > > > > > > >> This is the MB I have:
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b450m-ds3h-wifi/p/N82E16813145164?Item=N82E16813145164&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-13-145-164-_-06132022
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> I’ll try a different PSU. I tried this last year when I
> > was
> > > > > trying
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >> figure out the noise coming from the USB powered
> speakers.
> > > > That
> > > > > > > turned
> > > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > >> to be a fried speaker, 1 of the 3 devices that were
> > > connected.
> > > > > > Video
> > > > > > > > > >> capture, and external hard drive were the others.  I
> still
> > > > don’t
> > > > > > > > > >> understand
> > > > > > > > > >> how there wasn’t damage to the MB, when 3 of the 5
> devices
> > > > that
> > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > >> connected, got fried.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 6:09 PM Scott Yates <
> > > > > Scott at yatesframe.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> > This is a good point as well.  Though most recent
> > > > motherboards
> > > > > > DO
> > > > > > > > > have a
> > > > > > > > > >> > postcode seven segment LED displays right on the
> > > > motherboard.
> > > > > > Do
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > >> see
> > > > > > > > > >> > any lights at all on the board?
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 5:36 PM Nicholas Olson <
> > > > > > > > > >> nicholas.olson83 at gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > Keeping it simple. Is there even a speaker to
> generate
> > > the
> > > > > > > beeps?
> > > > > > > > > >> That’s
> > > > > > > > > >> > a
> > > > > > > > > >> > > phenomenon I discovered in the last few years on my
> > > Ryzen
> > > > > > > mobos. I
> > > > > > > > > >> would
> > > > > > > > > >> > > get no beeps on boots whether good or bad. I noticed
> > > there
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > >> speaker
> > > > > > > > > >> > > built in or wired to the front panel header pins.
> > > Hooking
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > speaker
> > > > > > > > > >> from
> > > > > > > > > >> > my
> > > > > > > > > >> > > junk drawer to the speaker header and walla. Either
> > the
> > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > >> > ‘everything
> > > > > > > > > >> > > is ok’ beeps, or the POST code for identifying an
> > issue.
> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Jun 13, 2022, at 12:56 AM, Tim Wilson <
> > > > > > > > > tim_linux at wilson-home.com
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Resurrecting this old thread, need some more
> help.
> > To
> > > > get
> > > > > > up
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >> speed,
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > there was a lightning strike near my house in
> > October.
> > > > > > There
> > > > > > > > > were 3
> > > > > > > > > >> > USB
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > devices hooked up to my gaming tower, not
> including
> > > the
> > > > KB
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > >> mouse.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > All
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > 3 were fried (KB and mouse seemed to be ok).  The
> > > > computer
> > > > > > > > > >> continued to
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > work, but I was  afraid to plug in anything to the
> > USB
> > > > > > ports.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > In March,  I finally decided to send the
> motherboard
> > > > into
> > > > > > > > Gigabyte
> > > > > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > warranty repair.  To my surprise, they said there
> > was
> > > > > > nothing
> > > > > > > > > wrong
> > > > > > > > > >> > with
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > it.  After getting it back, I let it sit for a
> > couple
> > > of
> > > > > > > > months, I
> > > > > > > > > >> > wasn’t
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > looking forward to putting it back together.  That
> > was
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > reason
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > >> > > bought
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > a pre-built PC.  I made a mistake in taking it to
> > Best
> > > > > Buy,
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > >> said
> > > > > > > > > >> > > they
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > would reassemble it for me.  Thanks to a recent
> > > > appliance
> > > > > > > > > purchase,
> > > > > > > > > >> we
> > > > > > > > > >> > > had
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > their Total Tech, so there wasn’t a charge to
> > assemble
> > > > it.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > >> assumed
> > > > > > > > > >> > it
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > would be back to either full working order, or at
> > > least
> > > > > back
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >> what it
> > > > > > > > > >> > > was
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > prior to sending it in for repair.  Instead, they
> > said
> > > > it
> > > > > > > > wouldn’t
> > > > > > > > > >> > boot.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Of course, they wanted to sell me a new setup.  I
> > > > decided
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > bring
> > > > > > > > > >> it
> > > > > > > > > >> > > home
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > and take a look at it.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > I thought maybe it would be a bent pin on the
> > > processor,
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > >> something I
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > could figure out.  Unfortunately, I’m stumped.  I
> > > don’t
> > > > > know
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > it’s
> > > > > > > > > >> > the
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > MB, or processor.  I don’t get any beeps, even
> > without
> > > > > > RAM.  I
> > > > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > either buy new parts, or get it diagnosed.  Does
> > > anyone
> > > > > know
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > >> > place I
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > could take it to get it diagnosed?  It’s a
> Gigabyte
> > > MB,
> > > > > AM4
> > > > > > > > > Socket,
> > > > > > > > > >> > > Ryzen 7
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > processor, not quite 3 years old.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > TIA!
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 10:35 PM Tim Wilson <
> > > > > > > > > >> tim_linux at wilson-home.com
> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> My spare PSU didn't have enough 8 pin connectors,
> > so
> > > I
> > > > > > > couldn't
> > > > > > > > > >> plug
> > > > > > > > > >> > in
> > > > > > > > > >> > > my
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> video card.  But, I hooked up everything else,
> and
> > > not
> > > > > long
> > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > > > >> > > boot
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> process (pre-OS), the noise returned.  It is
> > > definitely
> > > > > > > coming
> > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > >> > the
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> speakers.  If I shutdown the PC (but leave the
> PSU
> > > on),
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> speakers
> > > > > > > > > >> > > stay
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> powered, but no noise.  I should also say that I
> > can
> > > > plug
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> speakers
> > > > > > > > > >> > > into
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> a USB battery and again, no noise.  And the audio
> > > comes
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > >> > > connector on
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> the back of a monitor.  So whatever input is
> > selected
> > > > on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> monitor,
> > > > > > > > > >> > is
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> where the audio comes from.  But the noise stays
> > > > > regardless
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> > input
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> selected, if the speaker power cable is plugged
> > into
> > > my
> > > > > PC.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Would purchasing an add-on USB card fix the
> issue,
> > or
> > > > do
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> noise would follow?  Or should I just bite the
> > bullet
> > > > and
> > > > > > > buy a
> > > > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > >> > MB?
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Now I'm having another problem.  When it is on my
> > > desk
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > open,
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > >> can
> > > > > > > > > >> > > get
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> the LEDs to work.  But on the floor, the LEDs are
> > > off.
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > >> it's
> > > > > > > > > >> > a
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> power issue.  There's a power cable that runs
> from
> > an
> > > > ATA
> > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > >> > > connector
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> to a board that controls the LEDs. I think one of
> > the
> > > > > > > > connectors
> > > > > > > > > >> came
> > > > > > > > > >> > > loose.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Did I say I wish I hadn't bought this thing?  I
> got
> > > > > scared
> > > > > > > off
> > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> assembling my own since it had been years since I
> > > built
> > > > > my
> > > > > > > last
> > > > > > > > > >> one.
> > > > > > > > > >> > I
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> might have to do that after all.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 2:56 PM L. V. Lammert <
> > > > > > > lvl at omnitec.net
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> On Thu, 18 Nov 2021, David Champion wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> I have a PC power supply tester that give you a
> > > > reading
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> thevoltages. Also have a multimeter, and we have
> > an
> > > > > > o-scope
> > > > > > > > (I'm
> > > > > > > > > >> not
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> qualifiedto run but others are) at Area515.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> Would it not be simpler to just order a new PSU?
> > At
> > > a
> > > > > cost
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >> $40, ..
> > > > > > > > > >> > > your
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> time value would be WELL above that - we keep
> two
> > or
> > > > > three
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> > shelf
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> at all times.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>>        Lee
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Jeff Ollie
The majestik møøse is one of the mäni interesting furry animals in Sweden.