[Cialug] Death of Winblows?

Thu Oct 28 17:58:51 UTC 2021

With respect to multi-monitor setups, Linux has come a long way. Between
home and work I have five multi-monitor setups (three monitors on my main
work system) and they all work just as well as any Windows multi-monitor
setup that I've used.

And as can be seen with the Print Nightmare debacle Windows has its own
share of problems being introduced by updates. I'm sure we could spend all
day listing other times where Windows updates broke people's systems.

You may be more comfortable dealing with a broken Windows update, but
that's not an inherent advantage of Windows over Linux.

Gaming and VR definitely are still shortcomings on Linux.

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 11:19 AM Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com> wrote:

> I think you know that I don't.  I love me some linux, but I game, and use
> VR, and multi-monitor setups, and really don't have the desire to spend
> great amounts of time fixing broken things each time I do an apt-get
> dist-upgrade.
>
> I have and use a lot of linux boxes with proxmox, and do development there
> too, but as they say, you use the right tool for the job.
>
> Sometimes that tool is windows.  All os's have their share of issues you
> have to deal with.  I use Windows, Linux and have an OSX box.
>
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 11:13 AM David Champion <dchamp1337 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > By "clean install" you mean you wipe the disk and install Linux, right?
> >
> > -dc
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 10:48 AM Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
> >
> > > That's a great idea!!!
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 10:47 AM Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I agree about the bloatware that gets pre-loaded.  Though i will say
> > > these
> > > > days, it is much easier and faster to do a clean install over the top
> > and
> > > > just have a reasonable machine afterwards.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 10:41 AM Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Personally, the bloatware is a reason *not* to buy an HP laptop vs
> a
> > > Dell
> > > > > laptop.  While they both have bloatware, they go the extra mile on
> > the
> > > > HP.
> > > > >  The HP's are usually about a $100.00 cheaper than the Dells, but
> I'd
> > > > > rather spend the extra $100.00 instead of spending the time with
> the
> > > > clean
> > > > > up.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 10:35 AM jim kraai <jimgkraai at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > the bloatware on my latest machine from $store was Windows 10.
> it
> > > > > > ran, which was nice since running VS2019 was a requirement for
> that
> > > > > job.  i
> > > > > > got paid.  i was happy  :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > next time, win vm on linux machine, though, but honestly it's a
> > PITA
> > > to
> > > > > > task switch around in linux (win vm (vpn to work (rdp to remote
> > > desktop
> > > > > > (outlook, teams, putty, etc.))))
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 10:10 PM Jared Brees <
> fromj2sitsme at msn.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's not really a complicated platform to the end-user. If
> you're
> > > > > running
> > > > > > > VMs you're already a ways ahead of the average user.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The average end-user buys a machine from $store and runs
> through
> > > > OOBE.
> > > > > If
> > > > > > > the computer works, they're happy; if it doesn't, they're not.
> > > > > Generally
> > > > > > > don't even care about $OEM's bloatware if it doesn't get in
> their
> > > > way.
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > From: Cialug <cialug-bounces at cialug.org> on behalf of Brett
> > Neese
> > > <
> > > > > > > brneese at brneese.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 17:00
> > > > > > > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Death of Winblows?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nah, TPMs are good things and actually make the platform
> simpler
> > > and
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > secure. The fact that they’re now required is a good call IMO.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 4:58 PM L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2021, Brett Neese wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As Scott said, you can use a virtual TPM, if your
> hypervisor
> > > > > supports
> > > > > > > > it. Ihave Windows 11 running on a ARM Mac.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yeah, .. but I was hoping more it would be enough to drive
> > users
> > > > away
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > such a complicated platform.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >         Lee
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