[Cialug] Death of Winblows?

[Dave Hala]

That's a great idea!!!

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 10:47 AM Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com> wrote:

> I agree about the bloatware that gets pre-loaded.  Though i will say these
> days, it is much easier and faster to do a clean install over the top and
> just have a reasonable machine afterwards.
>
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 10:41 AM Dave Hala <dave at 58ghz.net> wrote:
>
> > Personally, the bloatware is a reason *not* to buy an HP laptop vs a Dell
> > laptop.  While they both have bloatware, they go the extra mile on the
> HP.
> >  The HP's are usually about a $100.00 cheaper than the Dells, but I'd
> > rather spend the extra $100.00 instead of spending the time with the
> clean
> > up.
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 10:35 AM jim kraai <jimgkraai at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > the bloatware on my latest machine from $store was Windows 10.  it
> > > ran, which was nice since running VS2019 was a requirement for that
> > job.  i
> > > got paid.  i was happy  :-)
> > >
> > > next time, win vm on linux machine, though, but honestly it's a PITA to
> > > task switch around in linux (win vm (vpn to work (rdp to remote desktop
> > > (outlook, teams, putty, etc.))))
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 10:10 PM Jared Brees <fromj2sitsme at msn.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's not really a complicated platform to the end-user. If you're
> > running
> > > > VMs you're already a ways ahead of the average user.
> > > >
> > > > The average end-user buys a machine from $store and runs through
> OOBE.
> > If
> > > > the computer works, they're happy; if it doesn't, they're not.
> > Generally
> > > > don't even care about $OEM's bloatware if it doesn't get in their
> way.
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Cialug <cialug-bounces at cialug.org> on behalf of Brett Neese <
> > > > brneese at brneese.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 17:00
> > > > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Death of Winblows?
> > > >
> > > > Nah, TPMs are good things and actually make the platform simpler and
> > more
> > > > secure. The fact that they’re now required is a good call IMO.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 4:58 PM L. V. Lammert <lvl at omnitec.net>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2021, Brett Neese wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > As Scott said, you can use a virtual TPM, if your hypervisor
> > supports
> > > > > it. Ihave Windows 11 running on a ARM Mac.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, .. but I was hoping more it would be enough to drive users
> away
> > > > from
> > > > > such a complicated platform.
> > > > >
> > > > >         Lee
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