[Cialug] Home DLP, Anyone?

Tue May 6 13:40:13 CDT 2014

I used a paper punch.

On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com> wrote:
>>  Anyone else ever own a punch for 5 1/4“ floppies?
>
> /me raises hand
>
>
> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:17 PM, jim kraai <jimgkraai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Physical read-only switches on hardware storage devices would help with
>> that, also.
>>
>> Anyone else ever own a punch for 5 1/4“ floppies?
>> On May 6, 2014 12:53 PM, <j.bengtson at mchsi.com> wrote:
>>
>> > If we didn't need to persist SOME data, we could just use a live CD and
>> > reboot every couple of hours or so.  You don't have to worrry so much
>> about
>> > viruses, worms, and other miscellaneous malware because they're gone when
>> > you reboot.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: jim kraai
>> > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
>> > Sent: Tue, 6 May 2014 11:57:36 -0500 (CDT)
>> > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Home DLP, Anyone?
>> >
>> > I have relatives, a couple, who have explicitly, intentionally done what
>> > you suggested on the, arguably flawed, assumption that they have nothing
>> to
>> > hide and nothing worth stealing.  They now pay best buy $300/yr on some
>> > blanket security/repair plan, $100+/yr on cloud backup, and I spend about
>> > 50 hrs/yr helping them deal with the problems that aren't covered by the
>> > commercial services
>> >
>> > So, that's my current mental model for how wanton neglect benefits normal
>> > users.
>> > On May 6, 2014 11:42 AM, "Dave Hala"  wrote:
>> >
>> > > My day job is fairly dull this time of year, so I guess you could say
>> > > those thoughts are born of boredom.
>> > >
>> > > :) Dave
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 11:25 AM, jim kraai  wrote:
>> > > > If that was very zen or sarcastic, I get it :-)
>> > > >
>> > > > I remember an old sci-fi story about a world that was polluted with
>> > > > quadrillions of little surveillance lense/transmitter things.  There
>> > was
>> > > no
>> > > > way to tell who produced a given lens or even whether one was of
>> > civilian
>> > > > or commercial origin.  The protagonist struggled with the problem of
>> > > > keeping all of them out of his house, meticulously vacuuming, etc.,
>> > > > spending a significant portion of his time and resources on the
>> > problem.
>> > > > In the way that such stories end, he finally gave up and dove into a
>> > > > swimming pool sized pile of them.
>> > > >
>> > > > You raise a good point.  Who's paying you to say such things?  Does
>> it
>> > at
>> > > > least pay the mortgage?  :-)
>> > > >  On May 6, 2014 11:09 AM, "Dave Hala"  wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Try approaching the problem from a different perspective, by asking
>> > > >> the question: What If do nothing? or What if I do the same thing as
>> > > >> everyone else?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> (I'm *not* suggesting doing nothing.)
>> > > >>
>> > > >> :) Dave
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:57 AM, jim kraai  wrote:
>> > > >> > This email contains fever-induced, half-baked thoughts. Proceed
>> with
>> > > >> > caution.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/05/06/1343210/anti-virus-is-dead-but-still-makes-money-says-symantec(uh
>> > > >> ,
>> > > >> > I guess I'm obligated to say, "Slashdot sux" or something like
>> that)
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > The piece says "Meanwhile, other security firms including FireEye,
>> > > >> RedSocks
>> > > >> > and Imperva are casting doubt on AV, suggesting a focus on data
>> loss
>> > > >> > prevention might be better."
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > I used to work at a DLP company.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > I came to view DLP is an interesting, but terribly ineffective
>> > thing.
>> > > >> > Rather, it's effective against terribly naive agents/hackers.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > What's the general consensus here on using DLP as a way to secure
>> > home
>> > > >> and
>> > > >> > small business networks?
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Here's a weird way of looking at it long term:
>> > > >> > 1. Passive:  Door locks and windows are passive security. One time
>> > > cost
>> > > >> > plus infrequent replacement.
>> > > >> > 2. Active:  Home firewall/DLP/whatever that actively burns
>> Watt/hrs
>> > > >> > constantly which must be constantly updated against new threats
>> > > >> > 3? Aggressive:  Due to the rapidly increasing rate of change, in
>> the
>> > > >> future
>> > > >> > will we have to install things that actively, preemptively hunt
>> down
>> > > >> > threats, or fund some company or agency that does that for us?
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > If the internet ever gets fixed via to aggressive, knee-jerk
>> > > >> overreactions,
>> > > >> > it might really, really suck.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > I probably need to step away from the keyboard for a bit
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