[Cialug] LUG Grill Out Tuesday

Tue Jun 11 14:56:37 CDT 2013

...and Prism just intercepted your email, the authorities have been
notified of our nefarious intent to have a picnic that may or may not have
some barley pop present.

-dc

On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:46 PM, jim kraai <jimgkraai at gmail.com> wrote:

> WARNING: BORING, read further only if you're entertained by our
> intricate legal systems
>
> I was halfheartedly referring to different jurisdictions of different
> agencies so as not to confuse them with where we were actually going
> to be.
>
> Iowa DNR rules don't apply to our stated use of the Cottonwood
> Recreation Area.  It's a federal facility under federal rules.
>
> If we were fishing, that'd be a different set of rules, as the Corps
> of Engineers defers to local, Iowa DNR, fishing regulations:
>
> http://corpslakes.usace.army.mil/employees/visitassist/pdfs/nwd-sp-saylorvillefishing.pdf
> and they get even more specific here, as these regulations are only
> for that portion of the Des Moines river below the dam where we'll be
> at but still within the federal boundaries.  Crazy, huh?!
>
> If we were using Jester's facilities, we'd be under a different set
> of, get this, sets of rules:
> - The golf course lodge:
> http://www.jesterparklodge.com/Fees_files/Policies%20and%20Regulations.pdf
> where alcohol is only allowed if it's provided by Christiani’s
> Catering during a "reserved event"
> - Otherwise, there seems to be no alcohol allowed at all
> http://www.polkcountyiowa.gov/media/10322/park-rules.pdf
>
> Here is the applicable federal regulation for Corps of Engineers
> facilities:  http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/36/327.12 "The
> possession and/or consumption of alcoholic beverages on any portion of
> the project land or waters, or the entire project, may be prohibited
> when designated and posted by the District Commander."  And, to the
> best of my knowledge, a prohibition against the otherwise legal use
> (that is to say, by people of legal age in the local jurisdiction) of
> alcoholic beverages has not been posted, nor is there an applicable
> county-wide prohibition against the consumption of alcohol.
>
> Note, also, that most of the above cited documents state that they're
> incomplete or that they're summaries of other sets of laws.
>
> We may be approached by Corps of Engineers, Iowa DNR, or Polk County
> Sheriff's personnel, all of whom have some kind of jurisdiction for
> where we'll be, for a 'health and safety' type of check, who would be
> responsible for enforcing applicable federal, state, county, and
> facility rules.  So, let's be careful and not bring anything that'd
> spark the interest of the local gendarmes.
>
> Don't worry, the way things are these days, you can't help but break a
> number of laws en route to, while at, and on the way home from the
> picnic!  :-)
>
> --jim
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:41 PM, David Champion <dchamp1337 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thanks for the clarification.
> >
> > FYI, Cottonwood Recreation Area is not directly connected to Jester Park.
> > it is South of the Saylorville dam. the map link that Jim included
> earlier
> > in this thread does point to the correct location.
> >
> > -dc
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:27 PM, jim kraai <jimgkraai at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Good question.  To answer your question of whether byob is allowed:
>  Yes.
> >>
> >> How I arrived at this conclusion:
> >> 1. it is not forbidden for that area--I looked it up (
> http://goo.gl/3Ngyx)
> >> 2. note the applicable western legal principal is that that which is
> >> not forbidden is permissible
> >> 3. note to reinforce #s 1 & 2, byob is explicitly forbidden in other
> >> areas of Saylorville ( http://goo.gl/B3ffZ )
> >>
> >> The use of Saylorville Lake is under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Army
> >> Corps of Engineers.  Jester Park is under the jurisdiction of the Polk
> >> County Commissioner.
> >>
> >> --jim
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:09 PM, David Champion <dchamp1337 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Important question: since this is vBeers, and it's a public park,
> will we
> >> > be allowed to byob?
> >> >
> >> > -dc
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 12:07 PM, jim kraai <jimgkraai at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I'm looking forward to this!
> >> >> On Jun 11, 2013 11:17 AM, "kristau" <kristau at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Friendly reminder, this is tonight!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 3:59 PM, kristau <kristau at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > Aaaaaand I've updated the CIALUG Web site as well. Let's get the
> >> word
> >> >> out
> >> >> > > and get a big group!
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 3:50 PM, kristau <kristau at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >> I've submitted this to vBeers.org. It sometimes takes a couple
> of
> >> days
> >> >> > >> for him to approve those posts, so I hope it gets out there in
> >> time!
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:27 AM, David Champion <
> >> dchamp1337 at gmail.com
> >> >> > >wrote:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>> I'll try to make it.
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> Cottonwood is on the Neil Smith bike trail for those who may be
> >> >> > inclined
> >> >> > >>> to
> >> >> > >>> pedal there. Assuming the trail isn't under water and it's not
> >> >> raining.
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> -dc
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:58 AM, kristau <kristau at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> > Hurrah for Do-ocracy! Thank you, Jim!
> >> >> > >>> >
> >> >> > >>> > Spread the word far and wide, folks, and bring a buck or two
> for
> >> >> Jim.
> >> >> > >>> >
> >> >> > >>> >
> >> >> > >>> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:24 AM, jim kraai <
> jimgkraai at gmail.com
> >> >
> >> >> > >>> wrote:
> >> >> > >>> >
> >> >> > >>> > > Who:    You plus whoever you care to feed--I'm bringing my
> two
> >> >> sons
> >> >> > >>> > >
> >> >> > >>> > > What:   CIALUG vbeers Grill Out.
> >> >> > >>> > >        I'm supplying charcoal and tinfoil (not for hats,
> >> recent
> >> >> > news
> >> >> > >>> > > notwithstanding)
> >> >> > >>> > >        Bring your own food, drinks, table settings, etc.
> >> >> > >>> > >
> >> >> > >>> > > Where:  Cottonwood Recreation Area's shelter #5
> >> >> > >>> > >   coords:  41.690847,-93.674141
> >> >> > >>> > >   gmaps:  http://goo.gl/maps/JTxPM
> >> >> > >>> > >   web:      http://goo.gl/Q66Ky
> >> >> > >>> > >
> >> >> > >>> > > When:   Tuesday, June 11 (charcoal to be started at 6PM)
> >> >> > >>> > >
> >> >> > >>> > > Why:    It's Spring and we need some sun--bring sunblock
> >> >> > >>> > >
> >> >> > >>> > > I paid the $50 for the shelter and will supply the
> charcoal.
> >>  If
> >> >> > >>> you'd
> >> >> > >>> > > like to chip in a few bucks, I'd appreciate it.  Thank you!
> >> >> > >>> > >
> >> >> > >>> > > --jim
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> >> >> > >>> > --
> >> >> > >>> > Tired programmer
> >> >> > >>> > Coding late into the night
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> >> >> > >> --
> >> >> > >> Tired programmer
> >> >> > >> Coding late into the night
> >> >> > >> The core dump follows
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > --
> >> >> > > Tired programmer
> >> >> > > Coding late into the night
> >> >> > > The core dump follows
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Tired programmer
> >> >> > Coding late into the night
> >> >> > The core dump follows
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