[Cialug] Complete C source online - chapter two: The PRISMer of Zenda

[Scott Yates]

Kenny, thank you for being the voice of reason here.  Extremes on either
side are not helpful.  I agree that there is a lot to digest in the
revelations of late.  I do NOT think that working on ideas to keep your own
data more secure is any kind of waste of time or paranoia.

That being said, the government has shown itself to be untrustworthy, and
it has NOT been getting better.  Despite what Pete seems to think, there
does not need to be a room full of analysts personally looking at all your
emails.  Big data and statistical analysis have been able to generate
actionable signals for quite some time now.

I don't mean to be argumentative here.  I just want to point out that the
tone on this list was quite calm and reasonable until Pete's self admitted
"meltdown".

I am all for reasoned debate, but lets try to keep the tone here civil and
constructive.



On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Kenneth Younger <kyounger at gmail.com>wrote:

> Secure computing is very much on topic with regard to this list.
>
> The general gist of your profane (on many levels), self-acknowledged rant
> is "don't worry, no one is going to do anything bad with the data they are
> collecting," and that is just patently false and absurd. Very few
> constitutional scholars and security experts think there is nothing wrong
> with what the leaks are revealing about the surveillance the NSA and other
> agencies are doing.
>
> I'll remind you that there are simple methods for filtering out topics in
> an email list. Which is also why we usually reply to the same topic -- you
> changed it, meaning those that already had muted the conversation now were
> subjected to it again.
>
> -Kenny
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Pete Trbovich <
> levitating_rock at linuxquestions.net> wrote:
>
> > I've seen all that, read every link there. The point of my little
> meltdown
> > is that you're all freaking out over nothing.
> >
> > Sorry I haven't been able to rescue this group from turning into another
> > pants-pissing schizophrenic circlejerk. I guess I'll have to find
> somewhere
> > else to talk about Linux. Oops, wait, there are no places to talk about
> > Linux left. This, ladies and gentlemen, is why Usenet banned political
> > discussion on everything but politics boards. When the world ends, be
> sure
> > to come by to collect your $1 million bet from me, and also my right nut.
> > Enjoy your concrete bunker, and be sure to keep your Alex Jones
> > subscription current.
> >
> > - Adios, thanks for all the fish,
> >   Pete
> >
> >
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