[Cialug] HTML Editors

[Todd E Thomas]

Chris, I've been going down this path myself recently. I've been looking 
for a PHP IDE (integrated development environment); here's what I've found:

HTML seems to be ubiquitous among all languages, select your language, 
java, php, etc. and then start looking for tools. HTML will be included 
in all of them.

Moving forward on the assumption of foss-based direction for learning 
purposes, I'm guessing php; this is all I've researched in any case. I 
also assume some basic wants, like not getting carpal-tunnel (auto-code 
completion), etc.

1) If you have the money, buy a mac and dreamweaver - period. It's 
missing nothing.

2) There are a few Linux packages, free and open :)

3) All of the Linux packages are good but not great. They all seem to be 
missing one thing. Netbeans, for example is missing HTML5 tag support 
(so far), while Bluefish isn't great with CSS; eclipse is a time suck 
that only ends in frustration but awesome with code merging, etc.

4) I've looked for IDE suggestions in the freenode/php irc channel. They 
didn't want to talk about what they did like. They did give over that 
Zend and Active State, for example, does auto-completion that fills in 
non-standardized code, meaning it includes their proprietary php 
extensions in some of the auto-completion. For me, these 2 companies 
fell out of the running.

5) Of the available packages, I like these in order:
    a) Bluefish
    b) Netbeans
    c) Geany

6) Strangely, the one I settled on was vim. There is a vim extension 
called snipmate <https://github.com/MarcWeber/snipmate.vim>, which does 
auto-code completion - very nice. And, it's easily installed with the 
vim-addon-manager <https://github.com/MarcWeber/vim-addon-manager>. 
Here,you're lacking a css color picker but you feel like your home.

Vim has all the power you want. I thought I knew vim until I saw this 
guy's advanced vim <http://www.derekwyatt.org/vim/vim-tutorial-videos/> 
stuff.


After that, I used MySQL workbench till I got my feet under me. Now it's 
all vim and .sql scripting, and life is good. I hope this helps.

Todd E Thomas
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"It's a frail music knits the world together."
-Robert Dana






On 01/28/2012 03:23 PM, David Champion wrote:
> I really depends on what you're doing. If you're using a CMS, then LV may
> be right, that you can start with a template and do some tweaking.
>
> If you're developing your own web apps, I've seen a lot of people start
> with a tool like Dreamweaver, but you'll usually end up doing some manual
> editing with a text editor, break thinks up into templates or includes.
>
> Most web app frameworks have an included template system, and use a MVC
> style, if you're doing custom development, take a look at some of those.
>
> I used to not like Dreamweaver, because it produced really bad HTML with
> font tags everywhere and lots wasteful spacer graphics, but I think that's
> changed.
>
> -dc
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Todd Walton<tdwalton at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Crouse<crouse at usalug.net>  wrote:
>>> I totally disagree... but that's a whole nother issue.  #1 issue, you
>> learn
>>> zip about html with wordpress, or someones "free" site designer.
>>> Sort of like saying I know how to figure the cosine of an angle, but take
>>> away your scientific calculator and your stumped.
>>
>> Leave the scientific calculator and you're a successful engineer with
>> million dollar bridges to your name, an expensive house, and an exotic
>> car.
>>
>> --
>> Todd
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