[Cialug] bsd mail/mailx reading

[David Champion]

LOL... good times.

-dc


On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Barry Von Ahsen <barry at vonahsen.com>wrote:

> it still freaks me out that day you double-clicked on an email in pine
> over putty and IT OPENED
>
> -barry
>
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2012, at 11:54 AM, David Champion wrote:
>
> > Alpine is pretty easy to use, and has menu-based prompts for the commands
> > you can't remember. Other than the minimal space it takes to install it,
> I
> > don't see any advantage to using the "mail" command, other than proving
> > that you're a command-line ninja.
> >
> > I have alpine connected to my imap email, so I can also access it with
> > thunderbird, webmail, my phone etc. I find it handy to have an email
> client
> > I can ssh to.
> >
> > -dc
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Josh More <jmore at starmind.org> wrote:
> >
> >> For me, it's because, as Barry discovered, the commands in the clients
> are
> >> somewhat esoteric.  I use grep all the time and don't have to remind
> myself
> >> how to use them.
> >>
> >> And really, on my servers, the only time I should get mail is when
> >> something goes horribly wrong, and in those situations, I just need
> enough
> >> data out of the email to put into a tracking system and then the emails
> can
> >> go away.
> >>
> >> Processing to zero is usually more cost effective than keeping the
> emails
> >> around for "reference", especially since there has not been a single
> >> instance in over 15 years that I've needed to refer to an email on a
> >> server.
> >>
> >> -Josh
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:33 AM, David Champion <dchamp1337 at gmail.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Captain Obvious says: Why not just use mutt or (al)pine?
> >>>
> >>> -dc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Barry Von Ahsen <barry at vonahsen.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> yeah, vi works just as well - delete messages by regex: d/Message: :)
> >>>>
> >>>> (may require vim)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -barry
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Dec 28, 2012, at 11:01 AM, Josh More wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I use grep and less directly on the mail spool files.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Then I use "rm *"  :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Josh
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Scott Yates <Scott at yatesframe.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> ish, that sucks.  Time to install Pine or Elm.  lol
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Barry Von Ahsen <
> >> barry at vonahsen.com
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> thanks - I think I found that in the past from 'help', but I forgot
> >>> to
> >>>>>>> mention this is on CentOS, which is slightly confused about what it
> >>> can
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> can't do.  I tried that and:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> & l
> >>>>>>> Commands are:
> >>>>>>> next, alias, print, type, Type, Print, visual, top, touch,
> >> preserve,
> >>>>>>> delete, dp, dt, undelete, unset, mail, mbox, more, page, More,
> >> Page,
> >>>>>>> unread, U, !, copy, chdir, cd, save, source, set, shell, version,
> >>>>>>> group, write, from, file, folder, folders, ?, z, headers, help, =,
> >>>>>>> Reply, Respond, reply, respond, edit, echo, quit, list, xit, exit,
> >>>>>>> size, hold, if, else, endif, alternates, ignore, discard, retain,
> >>>>>>> saveignore, savediscard, saveretain, core, #, clobber
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> attempting to run 'list', which it says is a command, gives the
> >> same
> >>>>>>> message again:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> & list
> >>>>>>> Commands are:
> >>>>>>> next, alias, print, type, Type, Print, visual, top, touch,
> >> preserve,
> >>>>>>> delete, dp, dt, undelete, unset, mail, mbox, more, page, More,
> >> Page,
> >>>>>>> unread, U, !, copy, chdir, cd, save, source, set, shell, version,
> >>>>>>> group, write, from, file, folder, folders, ?, z, headers, help, =,
> >>>>>>> Reply, Respond, reply, respond, edit, echo, quit, list, xit, exit,
> >>>>>>> size, hold, if, else, endif, alternates, ignore, discard, retain,
> >>>>>>> saveignore, savediscard, saveretain, core, #, clobber
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> so it's probably a CentOS issue
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -barry
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Dec 28, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Scott Yates wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I THOUGHT it was just  "L" (lower case) to list the messages, but
> >> i
> >>>> may
> >>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>> mistaken.  It has been a few years.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Barry Von Ahsen <
> >>> barry at vonahsen.com
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> does anybody use bsd mail/mailx for reading?  since it's often
> >>>>>> installed
> >>>>>>>>> for sending, it's also useful for reading and not needing to
> >>> install
> >>>> a
> >>>>>>>>> "real" client like mutt or (al)pine
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> my question is: when you first run mail, it lists the messages
> >> and
> >>>> you
> >>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>> operate on them.  after the operations, though, the list goes
> >> away.
> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>> there a way to redisplay the messages without quitting and
> >>>> restarting?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> example: login, start mail, it displays that I have 1000
> >> messages.
> >>>>>> run
> >>>>>>>>> d1-998 to delete the first 998, 999 to read that message, d999 to
> >>>>>> delete
> >>>>>>>>> it.  how do I re-list the messages to show the headers for
> >> message
> >>>>>> 1000
> >>>>>>>>> (like when I launched mail)?  now I just quit, then restart mail
> >>> and
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>> shows the one message (as message 1)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> nothing end of the world, but there must be a Better Way(TM)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -barry
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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