[Cialug] Cialug Digest, Vol 78, Issue 13

Fri Oct 7 12:10:05 CDT 2011

File scavenger found a hard drive that was USB connected when windows could
not for me once.  The trial will let you know, @ $50 to recover what it
finds.  You might give this a shot.  

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Today's Topics:

   1. Death of a Hard Drive... (jrnosee)
   2. Re: Death of a Hard Drive... (Daniel A. Ramaley)
   3. Re: Death of a Hard Drive... (Josh More)
   4. Re: Death of a Hard Drive... (Eric Junker)
   5. Re: Death of a Hard Drive... (jrnosee)
   6. Re: Death of a Hard Drive... (Eric Junker)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:33:04 -0500
From: jrnosee <jrnosee at gmail.com>
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
Subject: [Cialug] Death of a Hard Drive...
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So, my church is in bad shape.  Looks like the PC they used to host their
website must have taken a lightning strike or something.

Power Supply - Dead
Motherboard - Post codes indicate dead
CPU & RAM - ?
HDD... oh the hard drive...

It's a WD800 SATA drive.  I took it out and attempted to plug it into my USB
SATA adapter.  Immediately upon plugging the adapter in to my computer's USB
(with the drive powered on and the SATA plugged in) my computer speakers
started making noise...and not the USB device detected one either.  Just
hissing.  I unplugged the drive from the adapter and plugged it into USB
stand-alone.  The computer recognized it...no hiss.  Plugged sata back in
and the computer lost the USB device.

I'm assuming at this point the drive's controller is shot.  The drive spins
up on power on so I don't think it's mechanically bad.

Has anyone ever done a drive controller board transplant?  It seems fairly
straightforward, but I don't know what I need to look at to even try to get
the same board.  Another WD800?  Specific model (WD800XX-XXXXXX or whatever
it is), controller board model and revision...?????

Please help.  They (and this is partially my fault) never got backups set up
and we really need to recover this drive.

Any input is appreciated.

Thanks.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:49:44 -0500
From: "Daniel A. Ramaley" <daniel.ramaley at drake.edu>
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Death of a Hard Drive...
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On 2011-10-07 at 08:33:04, jrnosee wrote:
>Specific model (WD800XX-XXXXXX or whatever it is), controller board 
>model and revision...?????

Everything i've read about doing a controller board transplant says you need
the exact model and revision. And even then it might not work because on
some drives the bad sectors map is stored on the controller board, and if
you switch boards they'll obviously have a different idea of what sectors on
the disks are bad.

Good luck. A data recovery service might be the best bet, though it
certainly wouldn't be the cheapest route.
__
Daniel A. Ramaley
Network Engineer 2

Dial Center 112, Drake University
2407 Carpenter Ave / Des Moines IA 50311 USA
Tel: +1 515 271-4540
Fax: +1 515 271-1938
E-mail: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:51:32 -0500
From: Josh More <jmore at starmind.org>
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Death of a Hard Drive...
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True, but if the board allows the drive to work, you can make a dd copy and
then run recovery tools on the image.  You might not get ALL the data, but
you'd have more than none.

-Josh

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Daniel A. Ramaley
<daniel.ramaley at drake.edu>wrote:

> On 2011-10-07 at 08:33:04, jrnosee wrote:
> >Specific model (WD800XX-XXXXXX or whatever it is), controller board 
> >model and revision...?????
>
> Everything i've read about doing a controller board transplant says 
> you need the exact model and revision. And even then it might not work 
> because on some drives the bad sectors map is stored on the controller 
> board, and if you switch boards they'll obviously have a different 
> idea of what sectors on the disks are bad.
>
> Good luck. A data recovery service might be the best bet, though it 
> certainly wouldn't be the cheapest route.
> __
> Daniel A. Ramaley
> Network Engineer 2
>
> Dial Center 112, Drake University
> 2407 Carpenter Ave / Des Moines IA 50311 USA
> Tel: +1 515 271-4540
> Fax: +1 515 271-1938
> E-mail: daniel.ramaley at drake.edu
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 09:26:32 -0500
From: Eric Junker <eric at eric.nu>
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Death of a Hard Drive...
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On 10/7/2011 8:33 AM, jrnosee wrote:
> It's a WD800 SATA drive.  I took it out and attempted to plug it into 
> my USB SATA adapter.

If you are attempting to do data recovery do not connect your drive with a
USB adapter. You cannot talk directly to the hard drive unless you have
control of the ATA adapter, which you can't do with USB.

> Has anyone ever done a drive controller board transplant?  It seems 
> fairly straightforward, but I don't know what I need to look at to 
> even try to get the same board.  Another WD800?  Specific model 
> (WD800XX-XXXXXX or whatever it is), controller board model and 
> revision...?????

Before you swap boards it is more important to recover the data from the
drive if possible.

I've hard that sometimes you not only need the exact serial number and
firmware revision but also try to get the manufacture date as close as
possible. You may be able to find a donor drive on eBay.

You should check out some of Scott Moulton's resources.

ftp://www.myharddrivedied.com/Presentations/Advanced-MHDD/Flowchart-Handout-
MHDDv1w.pdf

ftp://www.myharddrivedied.com/Presentations/Advanced-MHDD/MHDD-Advanced-Diag
.pdf

Eric

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 10:09:05 -0500
From: jrnosee <jrnosee at gmail.com>
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Death of a Hard Drive...
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FTP requires login

>
> ftp://www.myharddrivedied.com/**Presentations/Advanced-MHDD/**
> Flowchart-Handout-MHDDv1w.pdf<ftp://www.myharddrivedied.com/Presentati
> ons/Advanced-MHDD/Flowchart-Handout-MHDDv1w.pdf>
>
> ftp://www.myharddrivedied.com/**Presentations/Advanced-MHDD/**
> MHDD-Advanced-Diag.pdf<ftp://www.myharddrivedied.com/Presentations/Adv
> anced-MHDD/MHDD-Advanced-Diag.pdf>
>
> Eric
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 10:27:34 -0500
From: Eric Junker <eric at eric.nu>
To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
Subject: Re: [Cialug] Death of a Hard Drive...
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The new Firefox doesn't show the full URL which included the
username/password.

You can find all the resources on:
http://myharddrivedied.com/presentations-resources

Eric

On 10/7/2011 10:09 AM, jrnosee wrote:
> FTP requires login
>
>
>
ftp://www.myharddrivedied.com/__Presentations/Advanced-MHDD/__Flowchart-Hand
out-MHDDv1w.pdf
>     
> <ftp://www.myharddrivedied.com/Presentations/Advanced-MHDD/Flowchart-H
> andout-MHDDv1w.pdf>
>
>
ftp://www.myharddrivedied.com/__Presentations/Advanced-MHDD/__MHDD-Advanced-
Diag.pdf
>     
> <ftp://www.myharddrivedied.com/Presentations/Advanced-MHDD/MHDD-Advanc
> ed-Diag.pdf>
>
>     Eric
>
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