[Cialug] Promotion and Faith. (Was RE: A little something for everyone)

[Matt]

Here's my problem with that stance:

He is a member of a group of people who *are* from different 
backgrounds.  Unfortunately, according to his email he wil not work with 
members of this group who are not orthodox Jews or Pro-Life Christians.  
Well, this isn't the Central Iowa Area Linux Users Group of Jews and 
Christians.  Is he unable to trust a person who is Muslim, Taoist, 
Buddhist, Shinto, Athiest, or Agnostic (not trying to leave any 
religions out here, but you get the picture)?  Are those people 
inherently lazy or deceitful?  Or does he believe that they are only 
interested in money and won't be satisfied doing work that will further 
the cause of free and open-source software?

In my opinion, his wording of the email exudes a great intolerance of 
other religious beliefs (or lacks of belief).  His willingness to 'pay' 
people who aren't of his belief system is just insult upon injury.

I am a person who it is generally pretty hard to offend, so I know I'm 
not the only person on this list who feels this way.  If he wants to 
post ads of this nature in his church or synagogue, then more power to 
him, but if he wants to post them here, I think he should be willing to 
work with any person who may receive that email.

-- Matt Stanton

On 03/08/2011 06:47 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:
> I have noticed a number of you mention this. Actually, among Jewish people, it is customary to type G-d out of respect for the Divine Name, and likely Brian was being sensitive to that in his email (given his specific mention of orthodox Jews). It was not for the reason outlined below by Scott. While in some respects I understand some of your frustration with his post (and in other respects, I feel like you all are being a tad over-sensitive), this particular item has been majorly misunderstood and blown WAY OUT OF PROPORTION (emphasis intended). It is a way of showing respect to God's name and nothing else.
>
> There are many different world views on this list. I certainly agree that, for the context of this list, he would have been wise to have worded it differently. I personally feel that he is within his rights as an American to associate with whom he wishes to associate. You may disagree with his associations, but that is his choice, not yours. I was dismayed though to see how vehemently he was responded to. I was honestly turned off by some of the responses on this list.
>
> As someone who enjoys the technical side of this list, I hope that y'all can learn to let go of this and turn to more productive and on-topic discussions. It would be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stuart
>
> On Mar 8, 2011, at 18:16 , Scott Prader wrote:
>
>> I think what bothered me the most about the post was the fact that Brian went out of his way to cross out the 'o' in the word 'Godly', as if that was going to change the context or stature of the word.  It's sort of like replacing a four-letter word with asterisks.... "what the ****?" The bottom line here is that we STILL know what it means.  This sort of behavior has been going on around the internet for well over a decade, so anyone that has any sort of background involving the internet, mailing lists, forums, etc is well aware that this sort of thing doesn't change the actual content of the message, it just means that if a kid happens to read it, the intent, and please correct me if I'm wrong here, is to make it so that they don't really know what we're talking about.
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