[Cialug] Call for lightning talks - Wednesday
David Champion
dchampion at visionary.com
Mon Jul 17 16:11:46 CDT 2006
http://www.cialug.org/meetings.php
-dc
carl-olsen at mchsi.com wrote:
> Where is the meeting on Wednesday? Visionary?
>
> -------------- Original message from "Josh More" <morej at alliancetechnologies.net>: --------------
>
>
>
>>You really shouldn't be using SLED10 to host web sites. That's more of
>>a
>>job of SLES10. I do not think that you will have any issues with
>>support
>>on SLES10 for what you are looking at. That is, after all, it's
>>purpose.
>>
>>Novell has not yet updated their package list, but I have sent Carl a
>>package list that I gleaned from my .iso. If anyone else wants it,
>>let
>>me know. (I figure that most of the list doesn't need a 1811 line
>>text
>>file appearing out of the blue.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP
>>morej at alliancetechnologies.net
>>515-245-7701
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>07/17/06 3:03 PM >>>
>>
>>I see they have 10 on their website this morning, but when I click on
>>the package descriptions for SLED 10, I get the list for Novell Linux
>>Desktop 9. The only question I have is what packages are available for
>>SLED 10 and whether I can host websites on it like I'm doing with SLP
>>9.3.
>>
>>-------------- Original message from "Josh More"
>>: --------------
>>
>>
>>
>>>First of all, let me clear up a misunderstanding. *all* versions of
>>>SUSE are the
>>>"open source" version. They're just not all free. They all contain
>>>some
>>>closed source software. Here are the differences:
>>>
>>>1) OpenSUSE
>>>
>>>This is a project like Fedora or Ubuntu. It is available, for free,
>>
>>to
>>
>>>anyone
>>>who wishes to download it. If you wish to pay for it, you can also
>>>get
>>>Novell support. It tends to have a six month lifetime, after which it
>>
>>>is replaced
>>>by a new minor number. Emphasis is on new and experimentalism. As
>>>such,
>>>this is best aimed at power users, who can deal with the rough edges
>>
>>to
>>
>>>get
>>>the best tools. When the minor number hits 1, it becomes:
>>>
>>>2) SUSE Core
>>>
>>>This is the base for the other SUSE/Novell Linux versions. It is
>>>considered
>>>stable, and is supported for 7 years from release. It can be
>>>downloaded
>>>as part of the products below, for free, as an evaluation. Support
>>>costs money.
>>>
>>>3) SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES)
>>>
>>>This is a distribution intended to be used as a server. Emphasis is
>>
>>on
>>
>>>security
>>>and stability. Versions 9 and 10 are available, based on Core 9, and
>>
>>>Core 10
>>>respectively. Consider it similar to RHEL in purpose, though somewhat
>>
>>>different in support and 3rd party apps (like App Armor and full Xen
>>
>>>support)
>>>
>>>4) SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop (SLED except in the Netherlands)
>>>
>>>This is a distribution intended to be used as a desktop (duh).
>>>Emphasis
>>>here is on usability. This is the Linux intended to be used by
>>
>>"normal
>>
>>>people".
>>>It has all the glitz and glamor with minimal rough edges. It does
>>>*not* have
>>>the latest and greatest foo.whatever. Stability still matters.
>>>Versions 9 and
>>>10 are available. 9 is intended to be used by call center people, and
>>
>>>data entry folks. 10 is intended to be used by general office
>>>workers.
>>>Neither is intended to be used by power users.
>>>
>>>5) Open Enterprise Server (OES)
>>>
>>>This is basically SLES with Novell services. It natively supports
>>
>>NSS,
>>
>>>iFolder, iPrint,
>>>GroupWise, and the standard Novell/Netware fare. It is intended to
>>>replace
>>>Netware and MS Small Business Server. There a nice new bundle that
>>>includes
>>>OES, Groupwise, OpenOffice and (optionally) Linux Desktop. This tends
>>
>>>to be
>>>much cheaper per user than MS Small Business Server, and it's all
>>
>>open
>>
>>>source.
>>>(go ahead, get excited now). Currently, it is only available in
>>>version 9, but version
>>>10 is expected once SLES 10 stabilizes.
>>>
>>>6) Novell Linux Point of Service (LPOS)
>>>
>>>This is a version of Linux that runs well on cash registers and like
>>
>>>machines.
>>>It has native hardware support and includes the fancy Java tools that
>>
>>>this
>>>hardware requires. I have very little experience with this other than
>>
>>>a basic
>>>install. I think that only version 9 is currently available.
>>>
>>>7) Netware 6.5
>>>
>>>What am I doing? Netware isn't Linux! Well, actually, Novell
>>>announced
>>>that they will support Netware for 13 years (from last March) when it
>>
>>>is
>>>running inside Xen on SLES 10 (and theoretically, all other versions
>>
>>of
>>
>>>SLES).
>>>
>>>
>>>In general:
>>>
>>>If you are a hobbiest or hacker, use OpenSUSE
>>>If you are in the business world and need a server, use SLES
>>>If you are in the business world and need a desktop, use SLED
>>>If you are in the business world and need a one- box- fits- all, use
>>
>>OES
>>
>>>If you have more questions, feel free to ask me at the LUG meeting on
>>
>>>Wed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>- Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP
>>>morej at alliancetechnologies.net
>>>515- 245- 7701
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>"Carl Olsen" 07/16/06 8:56 PM >>>
>>>
>>>I'd also like to start using Java and JSP, so I'm interested in
>>
>>Tomcat
>>
>>>as
>>>well, but I think this release is going to have Geronimo. What can
>>
>>you
>>
>>>tell
>>>me about Java/JSP support on this new release?
>>>
>>>----- Original Message-----
>>>From: cialug- bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-
>>
>>bounces at cialug.org] On
>>
>>>Behalf
>>>Of Carl Olsen
>>>Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:54 PM
>>>To: 'Central Iowa Linux Users Group'
>>>Subject: RE: [Cialug] Call for lightning talks - Wednesday
>>>
>>>I was just about to install SUSE 10.1 (the open source version), but
>>
>>>when I
>>>read your email I decided to wait until tomorrow. What is the
>>>difference
>>>between the open source version and the SUSE Linux Desktop 10 version
>>
>>>that
>>>is being released tomorrow? I see the price for Novell Linux
>>>Enterprise
>>>Desktop 9 is around $35 on their web site. I believe you can buy the
>>
>>>open
>>>source version, but the price is actually higher than $35. I don't
>>>quite
>>>understand the difference. I'm interested in Apache 2, PHP 5, and
>>>MySQL 5,
>>>and I'm also using PostgreSQL 8 and Mono 1.1.
>>>
>>>Carl Olsen
>>>Web Developer
>>>Drake University
>>>
>>>----- Original Message-----
>>>From: cialug- bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug-
>>
>>bounces at cialug.org] On
>>
>>>Behalf
>>>Of Josh More
>>>Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 1:52 PM
>>>To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
>>>Subject: [Cialug] Call for lightning talks - Wednesday
>>>
>>>OK, we have 10- 20 minutes allocated for SFD (in case it runs long).
>>
>>>This means that we can handle 6- 8 lightning talks.
>>>( http://www.cialug.org/ewiki/?id=Lightning+Talks )
>>>
>>>I have signed myself up to give a talk on SUSE Linux Desktop 10,
>>
>>which
>>
>>>is expected to be released this Monday.
>>>If it doesn't pan out, I'll find something else.
>>>
>>>If there is a talk you would like to give, sign up at
>>>http://www.cialug.org/ewiki/?id=Meeting+Agenda
>>>or email me, and I will sign you up myself.
>>>
>>>Looking forward to seeing everyone on Wed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>- Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP
>>>morej at alliancetechnologies.net
>>>515- 245- 7701
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>"Kevin C. Smith" 07/16/06 1:46 PM >>>
>>>
>>>On Sun, 2006- 07- 16 at 13:33 - 0500, Josh More wrote:
>>>
>>>>According the wiki, our meeting this Wednesday will be focused on
>>>>Software Freedom Day.
>>>>
>>>>My questions:
>>>>
>>>>1) Will SFD take up the entire meeting?
>>>
>>>No. 10 minutes
>>>
>>>
>>>>2) If not, does anyone here have a topic that they would like to
>>>>present?
>>>>3) Failing that, does anyone here have a topic that they would like
>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>>see presented?
>>>
>>>--
>>>IT is the duty of every man, as far as his ability extends, to detect
>>
>>>and expose delusion and error. But nature has not given to everyone a
>>
>>>talent for the purpose; and among those to whom such a talent is
>>>given,
>>>there is often a want of disposition or of courage to do it.
>>>-- Thomas Paine
>>>
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