[Cialug] Call for lightning talks - Wednesday

[Josh More]

You really shouldn't be using SLED10 to host web sites.  That's more of
a
job of SLES10.  I do not think that you will have any issues with
support
on SLES10 for what you are looking at.  That is, after all, it's
purpose.

Novell has not yet updated their package list, but I have sent Carl a
package list that I gleaned from my .iso.  If anyone else wants it,
let
me know.  (I figure that most of the list doesn't need a 1811 line
text
file appearing out of the blue.


 

-- 
-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP 
 morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
 515-245-7701


>>> <carl-olsen at mchsi.com> 07/17/06 3:03 PM >>> 
I see they have 10 on their website this morning, but when I click on
the package descriptions for SLED 10, I get the list for Novell Linux
Desktop 9.  The only question I have is what packages are available for
SLED 10 and whether I can host websites on it like I'm doing with SLP
9.3.

--------------  Original message from "Josh More"
<morej at alliancetechnologies.net>: --------------  


> First of all, let me clear up a misunderstanding. *all* versions of 
> SUSE are the 
> "open source" version. They're just not all free. They all contain 
> some 
> closed source software. Here are the differences: 
> 
> 1) OpenSUSE 
> 
> This is a project like Fedora or Ubuntu. It is available, for free,
to 
> anyone 
> who wishes to download it. If you wish to pay for it, you can also 
> get 
> Novell support. It tends to have a six month lifetime, after which it

> is replaced 
> by a new minor number. Emphasis is on new and experimentalism. As 
> such, 
> this is best aimed at power users, who can deal with the rough edges
to 
> get 
> the best tools. When the minor number hits 1, it becomes: 
> 
> 2) SUSE Core 
> 
> This is the base for the other SUSE/Novell Linux versions. It is 
> considered 
> stable, and is supported for 7 years from release. It can be 
> downloaded 
> as part of the products below, for free, as an evaluation. Support 
> costs money. 
> 
> 3) SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) 
> 
> This is a distribution intended to be used as a server. Emphasis is
on 
> security 
> and stability. Versions 9 and 10 are available, based on Core 9, and

> Core 10 
> respectively. Consider it similar to RHEL in purpose, though somewhat

> different in support and 3rd party apps (like App Armor and full Xen

> support) 
> 
> 4) SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop (SLED except in the Netherlands) 
> 
> This is a distribution intended to be used as a desktop (duh). 
> Emphasis 
> here is on usability. This is the Linux intended to be used by
"normal 
> people". 
> It has all the glitz and glamor with minimal rough edges. It does 
> *not* have 
> the latest and greatest foo.whatever. Stability still matters. 
> Versions 9 and 
> 10 are available. 9 is intended to be used by call center people, and

> data entry folks. 10 is intended to be used by general office 
> workers. 
> Neither is intended to be used by power users. 
> 
> 5) Open Enterprise Server (OES) 
> 
> This is basically SLES with Novell services. It natively supports
NSS, 
> iFolder, iPrint, 
> GroupWise, and the standard Novell/Netware fare. It is intended to 
> replace 
> Netware and MS Small Business Server. There a nice new bundle that 
> includes 
> OES, Groupwise, OpenOffice and (optionally) Linux Desktop. This tends

> to be 
> much cheaper per user than MS Small Business Server, and it's all
open 
> source. 
> (go ahead, get excited now). Currently, it is only available in 
> version 9, but version 
> 10 is expected once SLES 10 stabilizes. 
> 
> 6) Novell Linux Point of Service (LPOS) 
> 
> This is a version of Linux that runs well on cash registers and like

> machines. 
> It has native hardware support and includes the fancy Java tools that

> this 
> hardware requires. I have very little experience with this other than

> a basic 
> install. I think that only version 9 is currently available. 
> 
> 7) Netware 6.5 
> 
> What am I doing? Netware isn't Linux! Well, actually, Novell 
> announced 
> that they will support Netware for 13 years (from last March) when it

> is 
> running inside Xen on SLES 10 (and theoretically, all other versions
of 
> SLES). 
> 
> 
> In general: 
> 
> If you are a hobbiest or hacker, use OpenSUSE 
> If you are in the business world and need a server, use SLES 
> If you are in the business world and need a desktop, use SLED 
> If you are in the business world and need a one- box- fits- all, use
OES 
> 
> If you have more questions, feel free to ask me at the LUG meeting on

> Wed. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --  
> - Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP 
> morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
> 515- 245- 7701 
> 
> 
> >>> "Carl Olsen" 07/16/06 8:56 PM >>> 
> I'd also like to start using Java and JSP, so I'm interested in
Tomcat 
> as 
> well, but I think this release is going to have Geronimo. What can
you 
> tell 
> me about Java/JSP support on this new release? 
> 
> -----  Original Message-----  
> From: cialug-  bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug- 
bounces at cialug.org] On 
> Behalf 
> Of Carl Olsen 
> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:54 PM 
> To: 'Central Iowa Linux Users Group' 
> Subject: RE: [Cialug] Call for lightning talks -  Wednesday 
> 
> I was just about to install SUSE 10.1 (the open source version), but

> when I 
> read your email I decided to wait until tomorrow. What is the 
> difference 
> between the open source version and the SUSE Linux Desktop 10 version

> that 
> is being released tomorrow? I see the price for Novell Linux 
> Enterprise 
> Desktop 9 is around $35 on their web site. I believe you can buy the

> open 
> source version, but the price is actually higher than $35. I don't 
> quite 
> understand the difference. I'm interested in Apache 2, PHP 5, and 
> MySQL 5, 
> and I'm also using PostgreSQL 8 and Mono 1.1. 
> 
> Carl Olsen 
> Web Developer 
> Drake University 
> 
> -----  Original Message-----  
> From: cialug-  bounces at cialug.org [mailto:cialug- 
bounces at cialug.org] On 
> Behalf 
> Of Josh More 
> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 1:52 PM 
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group 
> Subject: [Cialug] Call for lightning talks -  Wednesday 
> 
> OK, we have 10-  20 minutes allocated for SFD (in case it runs long).

> 
> This means that we can handle 6-  8 lightning talks. 
> ( http://www.cialug.org/ewiki/?id=Lightning+Talks ) 
> 
> I have signed myself up to give a talk on SUSE Linux Desktop 10,
which 
> is expected to be released this Monday. 
> If it doesn't pan out, I'll find something else. 
> 
> If there is a talk you would like to give, sign up at 
> http://www.cialug.org/ewiki/?id=Meeting+Agenda 
> or email me, and I will sign you up myself. 
> 
> Looking forward to seeing everyone on Wed. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --  
> -  Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP 
> morej at alliancetechnologies.net 
> 515-  245-  7701 
> 
> 
> >>> "Kevin C. Smith" 07/16/06 1:46 PM >>> 
> On Sun, 2006-  07-  16 at 13:33 -  0500, Josh More wrote: 
> > According the wiki, our meeting this Wednesday will be focused on 
> > Software Freedom Day. 
> > 
> > My questions: 
> > 
> > 1) Will SFD take up the entire meeting? 
> 
> No. 10 minutes 
> 
> > 2) If not, does anyone here have a topic that they would like to 
> > present? 
> > 3) Failing that, does anyone here have a topic that they would like

> to 
> > see presented? 
> 
> --  
> IT is the duty of every man, as far as his ability extends, to detect

> and expose delusion and error. But nature has not given to everyone a

> talent for the purpose; and among those to whom such a talent is 
> given, 
> there is often a want of disposition or of courage to do it. 
> --  Thomas Paine 
> 
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