[Cialug] Learning the 'C' language

[Josh More]

You bring up some very fine points.  And I fully agree with most of
them. 
 
My main concern is that there are a lot of similar projects out there
because 
the original project was poorly designed and/or commented.  I would like
to 
see people put more time into making projects more open.  'Open' in this

case means 'accepting of contributions from others'.  I am very
concerned 
about the You must know _____ meritocracy that I see in the open source 
communities.  I worry that if we keep up this semi-hostile attitude that
the 
open source movement will start losing momentum. 
 
With regards to your point of discouraging it, I wholeheartedly agree. 
I was not trying to discourage the desire to learn C.  I just think that

Nate has skills that he could use that would impact projects much more 
strongly than just adding another programmer. 
 
To my mind, it's like a CEO learning about cows so that he can go flip 
burgers at McDonald's.  (Exaggerated for effect.) 
 
 



-- 
-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP
morej at alliancetechnologies.net
515-245-7701

>>>mrdovey at iedu.com 10/12/05 9:52 am >>>
Josh More wrote:

| I would argue that the one thing that the open source world doesn't
| need is more C/C++ coders.
| If you want to contribute to a project in meaningful ways, I would
| suggest:
|
| * Morph the code into a comment style that works with NaturalDocs,
| so that other programmers can have an API reference.
| * Adjust the end user documentation so that it is useful
| * Start political manuvering to combine similar projects and share
| resources
| * Provide project management to help the devs agree on priorities
| and meet deadlines.

Hmm. Ok, I'll argue with you. I think you're partially right - in that
people who _only_ know how to write compilable code (in any language)
are minimally useful. The same is true of those people who can't grasp
that C and C++ are very different languages with only cosmetic
similarities and fundamentally different paradigms (a detail that
even/especially Dennis and Bjarne have agreed on in both
news:comp.lang.c and news:comp.lang.c++).

I'll argue further that more damage has been done to projects by
clueless designers and clueless documentation producers than by anyone
else involved. The former are productivity wasters of the worst kind and
the latter spoil the usefulness of even the highest quality work for
anyone subsequently involved.

Part of the cluefulness required is a knowledge of how things work in
order to be able to even begin to understand what it takes. To attempt
to design software without that knowledge - or to document it - leads
directly to faking it (and indirectly to such phenomena as Halt,
retry, fail? messages).

It seems to me counter-productive to discourage anyone (especially
volunteers) seeking to increase their knowledge, experience, and
involvement - or to shunt them away from where their interests lie.

But then, I've never had much success convincing geeks to Start
political manuvering - YMMV.

Morris Dovey


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