[Cialug] Web services platform

Tue Nov 29 09:04:42 CST 2005

Yes.  The redhat binaries distributed with RHEL are GPL.

On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 09:00, Bailey, Jonathan C wrote:
> But for an internal application in a commerical environment, GPL should be fine? Are the binaries on mysql.com for Windows GPL also?
>  
> 
> Jon
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Tony Bibbs
> Sent: Tue 11/29/2005 8:59 AM
> To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Web services platform
> 
> 
> 
> The big key is if you ship a copy of mysql with your product.  To be
> clear this does not mean shipping a DB export (e.g. somedatabase.sql).
> If your project simply makes use of MySQL but you require the admin to
> install and configure MySQL yourself the GPL is fine.  If you have a
> product where you actually put a copy of MySQL (tweaked or stock) in
> with your product then you have to go the commercial route.
> 
> --Tony
> 
> Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
> > Yes, as long as you don't violate the terms of the GPL...  (Like Sony)..
> >
> > On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 08:23, Bailey, Jonathan C wrote:
> >
> >>So the GPL version can be used in a commercial environment? The dual licensing makes this confusing..
> >>
> >>
> >>Jon
> >>
> >>________________________________
> >>
> >>From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Dave J. Hala Jr.
> >>Sent: Tue 11/29/2005 8:18 AM
> >>To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> >>Subject: RE: [Cialug] Web services platform
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Mysql has dual licensing. I'm using the GPL v. 2 version.  I haven't
> >>purchased support from the Mysql folks.   I would if I needed it, but I
> >>haven't...
> >>
> >>
> >>On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 07:57, Bailey, Jonathan C wrote:
> >>
> >>>I know.... We need very beefy hardware for the current system. I assume you use MySQL in a commercial environment, correct? If so, do you pay for any support/licensing?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Jon
> >>>
> >>>________________________________
> >>>
> >>>From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Dave J. Hala Jr.
> >>>Sent: Tue 11/29/2005 7:54 AM
> >>>To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> >>>Subject: RE: [Cialug] Web services platform
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>You've got a lot of hardware there. If you use mysql 3 or 4 You'll need
> >>>to tweak your mysql,cnf to take advantage of the ram.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 07:45, Bailey, Jonathan C wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>I'm actually going to use it for a knowledge base. I'm using ADODB for database abstraction. We'll be running it on dual Xeons with 3GB of RAM. We'll have 1 box as primary and 1 box as a hot spare.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Jon
> >>>>
> >>>>________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Dave J. Hala Jr.
> >>>>Sent: Tue 11/29/2005 7:37 AM
> >>>>To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Cialug] Web services platform
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>One of my beefs has always been that people say MySQL is not an
> >>>>"Enterprise" class db, it doesn't scale, blah, blah, blah...
> >>>>
> >>>>Its a bunch of Hoeey. Yes, mysql 3 and 4 don't have all the "features"
> >>>>of Oracle, DB2, etc. However if you are creating your Web services, you
> >>>>don't need all the feature bloat. With the exception of transactions,
> >>>>there are other ways to get the same results. If you can't live without
> >>>>one of those features, use MySQL 5.0
> >>>>
> >>>>Mysql is rock solid, brutally fast and less hardware intensive than many
> >>>>of the so-called "Enterprise Class DB's" In fact, for the last four
> >>>>years a Mysql database has been processing 25,000 applications a month
> >>>>for Energy assistance without even the slightest hiccup. Again, the
> >>>>reality is often very differant than the hype.
> >>>>
> >>>>You can always cover your butt by using a db abstraction layer. That
> >>>>way, if get some developers that can't think "Outside of Corporate
> >>>>Context" you can always have them cough up a billion dollars and switch
> >>>>to MSSQL, Oracle or DB2.
> >>>>
> >>>>My point is, define your needs, then try it for yourself -and remember,
> >>>>we always think we need more "features" than we actually do.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 20:37, Tony Bibbs wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Let me be one of the first to say don't count MySQL out.  C'mon, it
> >>>>>finally has views, stored procedures and triggers...oh my.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Also from my stand point if you like GUI clients MySQL Admin and MySQL
> >>>>>Query Browser is hard to beat.  But, as I'm sure the Postgres fanatics
> >>>>>will say, they've had that for years.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--Tony
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Josh More wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>I recommend SUSE Enterprise Linux with either Enterprise DB or Oracle.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>SUSE Enterprise is backed by Novell both financially and for support.
> >>>>>>Having needed to compare both Novell and Red Hat support, I can tell you
> >>>>>>that Novell wins hands down.  Additionally, having taken both the Red Hat
> >>>>>>and the Novell certifications, they are technically comparable.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>For the database, I feel that Postgresql wins hands-down over mysql
> >>>>>>due to the feature set.  Enterprise DB is just postgresql with support.
> >>>>>>The company has not, however, been around that long.  Depending on
> >>>>>>your need, you may want to consider going with Oracle's new "free"
> >>>>>>database.  It is full Oracle and not crippled in function.  It is, however,
> >>>>>>crippled in scalability.  However, for PHP+Apache, it should do just fine.
> >>>>>>(Free as in beer, not speech)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Lastly, I would caution against Sun.  I have no issues with their
> >>>>>>technology.
> >>>>>>However, from a business perspective, I personally feel that they are
> >>>>>>ripe for acquisition in the next few years. Hence, I would not bet my
> >>>>>>company's
> >>>>>>future direction on them.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>--
> >>>>>>-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP
> >>>>>>morej at alliancetechnologies.net
> >>>>>>515-245-7701
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>jcbailey at code0.net 11/28/05 5:39 pm >>>
> >>>>>>I'm currently working on a PHP+Apache2+SomeDB project at the company I work
> >>>>>>for. We're primarily a Windows shop, but Unix could make it also. The
> >>>>>>biggest issue is support for whatever platform is chosen. Personally, my
> >>>>>>experience is with Debian/Ubuntu, but as far as I know, both don't have
> >>>>>>major commercial backers (yes, I know Ubuntu has one, but how long have they
> >>>>>>been around)?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I'm pretty much looking for everyones opinions on what experiences they have
> >>>>>>had with the following *nix/DBs. I'm leaning to Solaris 10/Postgres, but
> >>>>>>that is new ground for me. What does everyone think about this? Best support
> >>>>>>cost vs support offered is important also..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>* Windows 2000/2003
> >>>>>>* RHEL
> >>>>>>* SUSE Enterprise Linux
> >>>>>>* Solaris 10
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>* PostgreSQL
> >>>>>>* MS-SQL
> >>>>>>* MySQL
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Jon
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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