[Cialug] Web services platform

Tue Nov 29 08:59:19 CST 2005

The big key is if you ship a copy of mysql with your product.  To be 
clear this does not mean shipping a DB export (e.g. somedatabase.sql). 
If your project simply makes use of MySQL but you require the admin to 
install and configure MySQL yourself the GPL is fine.  If you have a 
product where you actually put a copy of MySQL (tweaked or stock) in 
with your product then you have to go the commercial route.

--Tony

Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
> Yes, as long as you don't violate the terms of the GPL...  (Like Sony)..
> 
> On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 08:23, Bailey, Jonathan C wrote:
> 
>>So the GPL version can be used in a commercial environment? The dual licensing makes this confusing..
>> 
>>
>>Jon
>>
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>>From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Dave J. Hala Jr.
>>Sent: Tue 11/29/2005 8:18 AM
>>To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
>>Subject: RE: [Cialug] Web services platform
>>
>>
>>
>>Mysql has dual licensing. I'm using the GPL v. 2 version.  I haven't
>>purchased support from the Mysql folks.   I would if I needed it, but I
>>haven't...
>>
>>
>>On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 07:57, Bailey, Jonathan C wrote:
>>
>>>I know.... We need very beefy hardware for the current system. I assume you use MySQL in a commercial environment, correct? If so, do you pay for any support/licensing?
>>>
>>>
>>>Jon
>>>
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>>>From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Dave J. Hala Jr.
>>>Sent: Tue 11/29/2005 7:54 AM
>>>To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
>>>Subject: RE: [Cialug] Web services platform
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>You've got a lot of hardware there. If you use mysql 3 or 4 You'll need
>>>to tweak your mysql,cnf to take advantage of the ram.
>>>
>>>
>>>On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 07:45, Bailey, Jonathan C wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm actually going to use it for a knowledge base. I'm using ADODB for database abstraction. We'll be running it on dual Xeons with 3GB of RAM. We'll have 1 box as primary and 1 box as a hot spare.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jon
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>>
>>>>From: cialug-bounces at cialug.org on behalf of Dave J. Hala Jr.
>>>>Sent: Tue 11/29/2005 7:37 AM
>>>>To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
>>>>Subject: Re: [Cialug] Web services platform
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>One of my beefs has always been that people say MySQL is not an
>>>>"Enterprise" class db, it doesn't scale, blah, blah, blah...
>>>>
>>>>Its a bunch of Hoeey. Yes, mysql 3 and 4 don't have all the "features"
>>>>of Oracle, DB2, etc. However if you are creating your Web services, you
>>>>don't need all the feature bloat. With the exception of transactions,
>>>>there are other ways to get the same results. If you can't live without
>>>>one of those features, use MySQL 5.0
>>>>
>>>>Mysql is rock solid, brutally fast and less hardware intensive than many
>>>>of the so-called "Enterprise Class DB's" In fact, for the last four
>>>>years a Mysql database has been processing 25,000 applications a month
>>>>for Energy assistance without even the slightest hiccup. Again, the
>>>>reality is often very differant than the hype.
>>>>
>>>>You can always cover your butt by using a db abstraction layer. That
>>>>way, if get some developers that can't think "Outside of Corporate
>>>>Context" you can always have them cough up a billion dollars and switch
>>>>to MSSQL, Oracle or DB2.
>>>>
>>>>My point is, define your needs, then try it for yourself -and remember,
>>>>we always think we need more "features" than we actually do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 20:37, Tony Bibbs wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Let me be one of the first to say don't count MySQL out.  C'mon, it
>>>>>finally has views, stored procedures and triggers...oh my.
>>>>>
>>>>>Also from my stand point if you like GUI clients MySQL Admin and MySQL
>>>>>Query Browser is hard to beat.  But, as I'm sure the Postgres fanatics
>>>>>will say, they've had that for years.
>>>>>
>>>>>--Tony
>>>>>
>>>>>Josh More wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I recommend SUSE Enterprise Linux with either Enterprise DB or Oracle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>SUSE Enterprise is backed by Novell both financially and for support.
>>>>>>Having needed to compare both Novell and Red Hat support, I can tell you
>>>>>>that Novell wins hands down.  Additionally, having taken both the Red Hat
>>>>>>and the Novell certifications, they are technically comparable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>For the database, I feel that Postgresql wins hands-down over mysql
>>>>>>due to the feature set.  Enterprise DB is just postgresql with support.
>>>>>>The company has not, however, been around that long.  Depending on
>>>>>>your need, you may want to consider going with Oracle's new "free"
>>>>>>database.  It is full Oracle and not crippled in function.  It is, however,
>>>>>>crippled in scalability.  However, for PHP+Apache, it should do just fine.
>>>>>>(Free as in beer, not speech)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Lastly, I would caution against Sun.  I have no issues with their
>>>>>>technology.
>>>>>>However, from a business perspective, I personally feel that they are
>>>>>>ripe for acquisition in the next few years. Hence, I would not bet my
>>>>>>company's
>>>>>>future direction on them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>-Josh More, RHCE, CISSP, NCLP
>>>>>>morej at alliancetechnologies.net
>>>>>>515-245-7701
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>jcbailey at code0.net 11/28/05 5:39 pm >>>
>>>>>>I'm currently working on a PHP+Apache2+SomeDB project at the company I work
>>>>>>for. We're primarily a Windows shop, but Unix could make it also. The
>>>>>>biggest issue is support for whatever platform is chosen. Personally, my
>>>>>>experience is with Debian/Ubuntu, but as far as I know, both don't have
>>>>>>major commercial backers (yes, I know Ubuntu has one, but how long have they
>>>>>>been around)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm pretty much looking for everyones opinions on what experiences they have
>>>>>>had with the following *nix/DBs. I'm leaning to Solaris 10/Postgres, but
>>>>>>that is new ground for me. What does everyone think about this? Best support
>>>>>>cost vs support offered is important also..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>* Windows 2000/2003
>>>>>>* RHEL
>>>>>>* SUSE Enterprise Linux
>>>>>>* Solaris 10
>>>>>>
>>>>>>* PostgreSQL
>>>>>>* MS-SQL
>>>>>>* MySQL
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jon
>>>>>>
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