[Cialug] Laughable

[Dave J. Hala Jr.]

Did in anyone notice that in smaller enterprises (50-200) that training
costs are used to kill a project?   In one example, they were interested
in switching some people to Linux. Then they decided they didn't want to
spend the money on training there people to use Open Office.

It really seemed like a mute point to me. They didn't have any training
programs in place for **anything*. In fact they *never* provided any
technology training at all. 

Most people with computer skills slightly above entry level don't have
trouble using evolution, and most feel a little awkward with OO, but get
in the groove relatively quickly.  So, I just don't get it... Maybe
we're back to the "People just don't like change" thing...


On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 08:37, Lee wrote:
> Sorry, I didn't make that to clear. I meant the "guys" usually arguing that
> jumping ship is more expensive than sticking with their product. The point
> of course being the incredible cost of training and support. An example is
> upgrading from Win NT to Win 2K. There was a great deal of training,
> additional license fees and of course third party support contracts. All of
> which many companies did invest in just to go from one version of Windows to
> another. I feel this is often purposly overlooked when making these types of
> cost comparisons.
> 
> For the record this is not just a Microsoft versus Linux thing.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf
> Of Don Cady
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:32 PM
> To: cialug@cialug.org
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Laughable
> 
> 
> Lee, I was following (and agreeing, I think) up until the last question.
> What other guys product? Third-party apps or multiple concurrent OSes in an
> organization?
> 
> Don
> 
> > RE: [Cialug] LaughableI realize this is a little off the topic. But I need
> > to say it.
> >
> > One amazing thing about the whole cost of training and support argument.
> > I've seen first hand what going to a new version of Windows for instance
> > can
> > cost in training and support. If you follow many vendors prefered upgrade
> > path. You send your techs and engineers to classes and get the certs for
> > every major upgrade. Yes it may involve a far lesser learning curve
> > migrating from one version to another of the same platform. But to say
> > that
> > there is such a difference becuase of those costs, isn't fairly comparing
> > the true (overall) price tag. Yes it may be true that training could
> > actually cost more than getting this OS on x number of seats. But what
> > happens when you need to add training or additional support to the other
> > guys product as well?
> >  -----Original Message-----
> >  From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On Behalf
> > Of
> > Korver, Aaron
> >  Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:42 PM
> >  To: 'cialug@cialug.org'
> >  Subject: RE: [Cialug] Laughable
> >
> >
> >  I don't think he is talking about the software, but the price of a
> > knowledge base to run and administrate the system.
> >
> >  > -----Original Message-----
> >  > From: admin [mailto:admin@c0wzftp.com]
> >  > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:53 PM
> >  > To: cialug@cialug.org
> >  > Subject: Re: [Cialug] Laughable
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > oh my. my favorite line from that article:
> >  >
> >  > Additionally, he said that Linux is not significantly cheaper than
> >  > alternative operating systems.
> >  >
> >  > anyone else smell the smoke? i think a fire's on its way.
> >  > this article is
> >  > just too hot to let go.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > -----Original Message-----
> >  > From: "Lee" <leeh@csi-rics.com>
> >  > To: "Cialug@Cialug.Org" <cialug@cialug.org>
> >  > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:31:35 -0600
> >  > Subject: [Cialug] Laughable
> >  >
> >  > > Ok, lets all give up and go home. A group of Industry heavyweights
> >  > > declares
> >  > > Linux isn't ready for the enterprise!
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39191533,00.htm
> >  > >
> 
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