[Cialug] OT-sorta: Theo De Raadt & Christos Zoulas

[Chris Hilton]

I agree, the interview was rediculously "linux everything."  But
newsforge seems to be obsessed with linux, and mostly desktop linux.

Christos came off really well, as if his attitude was:
"ok, this guy is obsessed with linux so I'll just be fair to it and talk
about my OS as much as I can."


A lot of people get really upset about something technically good dying
over political reasons.  But sometimes that's just the way life works. I
don't care how smart you are, if you tell everyone to _________ then no
one is going to like you or your work:  And why should they, they "won't
understand it anyway." right?

On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 19:41 -0500, Nathaniel Petersen wrote:
> This is the first time that I have actually read a fair interview with
> Christos Zoulas.  The last interview that I read was about four years
> ago by C|Net that (for me, at least) completely missed the point of
> NetBSD.  Even this interview was still too GNU/Linux based.
> 
> Theo de Raadt was the whole reason I swore off BSD in the first place
> (at the time, OpenBSD was much more vocal than Net and Free -
> <sarcasm> Gee, can't imagine why? </sarcasm>)  Frankly, he sounds like
> a spoiled child who wants everyone to play by his rules, or he'll take
> his ball home.  I appreciate the inroads that he has made with
> OpenBSD, but frankly, the bridges he has burned in the process
> astounds me.
> 
> One quote still stands out to me:
> 
> "Linux has far too many filesystems and each distribution is promoting
> a different one (for political reasons mostly, not because of
> technical merit)."  --Christos Zoulas
> 
> This, and many other comments made by Christos were accurate and fair.
>  However, I think that the Rat...er...I mean de Raadt should listen
> carefully to this comment.  In the end, should OpenBSD face its end, I
> am confident it will be because of 'political reasons.'
> 
> That being said, I'm thinking that I might give NetBSD another try in
> the near future.  I don't want to lose all of my UNIX skills.
> 
> -Nick
> 
> On 6/17/05, Chris Hilton <chris129 at cs.iastate.edu> wrote:
> > I have strong opinions.  But I like to think I can maintain a respect
> > for other people's ideas/work/opinions.  So I try  not to call them
> > names or discredit them (unless they're the President/Owner of a Billion
> > Dollar company -- I gotta have some fun!) :).  But that's just what I
> > like to think I suppose.
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 16:40 -0500, Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> > > Theo has strong opinions.  Part of the reason he has his own *BSD sandbox.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chris Hilton [mailto:chris129 at cs.iastate.edu]
> > > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 4:27 PM
> > > To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group
> > > Subject: [Cialug] OT-sorta: Theo De Raadt & Christos Zoulas
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Did anyone catch this "interview" on forbes?
> > > http://www.forbes.com/intelligentinfrastructure/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz
> > > _dl_0616theo.html
> > >
> > > I thought it was really bad.  I didn't realize De Raadt was so, well I can't
> > > describe him politely.
> > >
> > > This one was a lot better, Zoulas seems like a very intelligent well-rounded
> > > guy: http://os.newsforge.com/os/05/06/09/2132233.shtml?tid=152&tid=8&tid=2
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm not sure how "off-topic" this is cause it's about Linux but it's
> > > political.  I just wondered what the local consensus would be on these
> > > comments.
> > >
> > > My opinion is that De Raadt is far too Brooksian and schizmatic (tries to
> > > break up groups when it's really unnecessary over stupid crap) for my
> > > tastes.  I'm sure those 60 developers are very talented but frankly they're
> > > still only 60 humans (presumably 25% or more even have lives!).
> > >
> > > That's just my initial reaction!  Well, actually my first reaction was:
> > > "Never using his software, I'd hate to ask him/people-like-him for a favor!"
> > >
> > > Maybe he's been ripped out of context, is making a joke, or his wife just
> > > died?!
> > >
> > > --Chris
> > >
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