[Cialug] Apple and Intel

[Theron Conrey]

I'd pay for OSX installed on great hardware if it was free software.
http://cialug.org/ewiki/?id=History+of+Open+Source+-+Free+Software+Movement

Theron

Chris Hilton wrote:

>	I can agree with that statement.  But there are a lot of practical,
>non-forward thinking, geeks out their who like OS X enough to forget the
>that Apple is selling it ;).  I think that Apple said their system would
>be incompatible, and Apple hardware is one of the big attractors for
>geeks so Apple might even lose a few people while they gain some.  I
>don't think a great deal will change here; except that we might see a
>Mac API emulation (not really emulation) project start up.
>
>	I wouldn't worry about Linux' ability to take this one on the shoulder
>and keep on truckin; it seems it always has.  Maybe now more people with
>Mac's will run linux because they'll have a good compiler (I've heard a
>lot of complaints about gcc on PPC).
>
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>On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 08:17 -0500, Theron Conrey wrote:
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>> From a hardware perspective it's pretty interesting stuff but,
>>no matter what happens the situation remains the same.
>>OSX still isn't free, so the impact (hoepfully) will be minimal at best.
>>
>>Theron
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>>D. Joe Anderson wrote:
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>>>On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 10:35:02PM -0500, Bryan Baker wrote:
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>>>>On Jun 7, 2005, at 10:29 PM, Nathan C. Smith wrote:
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>>>>>So here's a stupid question - what kind of thing will keep me
>>>>>     
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>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>from buying Mac OS and slapping it on any Intel box?  I
>>>>   
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>>>>>thought all the stuff that used to be in ROM no longer was. 
>>>>>What will distinguish an Apple from any other machine?
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>>>>I'm betting they will have a hand at least in the mobo design, they  
>>>>do a bunch of their own ASICs, etc. and they have been using  
>>>>OpenFirmware - not BIOS, but that may change now, but I bet there'll  
>>>>be other diff's - that said I give it a couple weeks before someone  
>>>>comes out w/ a hack, but you can bet it won't get support.
>>>>   
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>>>That, and what this guy said (after you skip down past all the
>>>license flamewar cruft) in
>>>
>>>http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-June/011207.html
>>>
>>>   Mac OS X's demographic is precisely the opposite of those
>>>   with enough technical skill to hack and/or patch enough of
>>>   their operating system to make it run on non-Apple hardware. 
>>>   Even if someone managed to make that work, and found a way
>>>   to hack in driver support, either through some Rube Goldberg
>>>   linux-driver-wrapper horseshit or other, it wouldn't be
>>>   terribly useful to terribly many people who leave their
>>>   basement on a regular basis.
>>>
>>>The "not [...] terribly many people" who would be interested in
>>>doing this are pretty much the Mac fans who inhabit Linux and
>>>other free OS mailing lists like this one--a minority of a
>>>minority.  Heck, I figure I probably know the majority of these
>>>people who live in Iowa ;-)
>>>
>>>ie, not enough to affect their market significantly.
>>>
>>>outside of this, the Mac customers are either going to be the
>>>ricer-wannabees who might think the hack is cool, but who don't
>>>have the time/skill/whatever to actually apply it, and the
>>>people like the ones Valentine mentions above, who want their
>>>sealed-box to Just Work, they don't care how, and you can't make
>>>them care.   
>>>
>>>The main thing is that someone who does care, and who does have
>>>the skill to apply the hacks isn't going to be able to hang out
>>>a shingle and go into business selling beige boxes that have
>>>been Macified.  The Clone Wars have already been fought, we know
>>>how that turned out, and that was before the DMCA.
>>>
>>> 
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