[Cialug] Wives
chris129 at cs.iastate.edu
chris129 at cs.iastate.edu
Thu Jun 2 13:57:11 CDT 2005
Wow. Even I use a graphical mail client (when I can, webmail for me today).
Quoting Major Stubble <major.stubble at gmail.com>:
> As I am most proud of telling my friends, my wife uses vim, and writes
> her emails in mutt.
>
> -Nick
>
> On 6/2/05, Rocket Robin Hood <jason at benalto.com> wrote:
> > My wife is even more computer illiterate than myself. When I got real sick
> of
> > windows and changed over to Linux she just about had a fit...so many times
> > during my trial by fire she kept threatening to throw me and/or the
> computer
> > our of the house. But at least with Linux, once I DID get everything setup
> it
> > worked all the time....none of this constant maintenance. She refuses to
> open
> > term windows and stuff like that, but I just set her up with KDE and icons
> > for her newsgroups/chat/mail/web and off she goes.
> >
> > -jason
> >
> > On Thursday 02 June 2005 13:16, chris129 at cs.iastate.edu wrote:
> > > Most people solve your wife's problem by paying a mechanic $60 an hour
> > > (even though the mechanic only gets maybe $20ish) ;). I'm not
> suggesting
> > > that by any stretch though.
> > > The only thing not elegant about installing Java and flash in a distro
> by
> > > default is political; so that's not too big a deal. I'm surprised
> Mandrake
> > > doesn't do this actually.
> > > Maybe we'll see jre and flash autopackages soon!
> > >
> > > Quoting Theron Conrey <theron at conrey.org>:
> > > > I would agree with your first statement slightly revised:
> > > >
> > > > I'm correct but that doesn't make it right.
> > > >
> > > > My wife cares nought about the OS she only needs to accomplish tasks
> > > > A,B, and C. She dosen't want nor need to learn anything else. When I
> > > > buy a standard transmission toyota, I'd like to take the skills I've
> > > > learned in operating that vehicle and believe that I can use the
> basics
> > > > when learning to drive a standard lambourghini. The more different it
> > > > is, the longer it takes me to learn how to use the car. That dosen't
> > > > mean that I need to work "under the hood" to get it from point A to
> > > > point "B". The fact is that the article (as are all good projects)
> > > > requirement based. if a requirement is to have basic windows users
> > > > comfortable with the system, the closer it looks to windows the
> > > > likelyhood of it's success increases. Not saying that it's an ideal
> > > > solution or an elegant one, just that it's the reality that's upon us.
> > > > BTW, my wife thinks that if she needs to learn how to change the oil
> or
> > > > adjust the timimg of a vehicle to drive, then she'd rather
> > > > walk.............. It translate = to computers.....
> > > >
> > > > chris129 at cs.iastate.edu wrote:
> > > > >You're right, but that doesn't make it ok ;).
> > > > >One: People who believe this should be exposed to the outside world.
> > > > > There
> > > >
> > > > was
> > > >
> > > > >a time when most people thought involuntary-debtless slavery was
> normal;
> > > >
> > > > that
> > > >
> > > > >never made it optimal, right, ok, truly legal, or anything else.
> This
> > > > > is
> > > >
> > > > not
> > > >
> > > > >such a big deal, after all it's just a computer not a human; but
> > > > > sometimes
> > > >
> > > > you
> > > >
> > > > >have to make drastic analogies to get people's attention.
> > > > >My point is that it's very rude to come to someone and say: "Your
> > > > > product
> > > >
> > > > or
> > > >
> > > > >tool of choice is not good because it doesn't behave like the other
> > > >
> > > > product."
> > > >
> > > > >Like telling someone their Lambourghini is awful because it's a stick
> > > > > shift
> > > >
> > > > (if
> > > >
> > > > >I'm up to speed these only come in manual)...
> > > > >
> > > > >People should be willing to read and learn compact things (and how to
> > > >
> > > > execute
> > > >
> > > > >shells, and all other executables in unix is very compact) to get
> > > > > something
> > > >
> > > > new
> > > >
> > > > >or different.
> > > > >
> > > > >She is right about Java installs though, if your distribution doesn't
> do
> > > > > it
> > > >
> > > > for
> > > >
> > > > >you it is a very hairy process for the newb (although I've seen newbs
> do
> > > > >it)...
> > > > >
> > > > >Quoting Theron Conrey <theron at conrey.org>:
> > > > >>Not rude at all, because you've missed the point. His wife wants to
> > > > >> use a computer that just works. Linux vs. Windows unimportant to
> the
> > > > >> non techie.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>However if the only thing a non techie uses for work is windows, and
> > > > >> you
> > > >
> > > > have
> > > >
> > > > >>to live with that person and fix thier computer problems, it helps
> to
> > > > >> be proficient. I am (nor the spouse of the author of that article)
> > > > >> not a windows admin. or a user. So when things broke on my wife's
> > > > >> laptop the beratment was severe since I earn a living as a
> "computer
> > > > >> guy" and should know how to fix these "simple" problems. So when
> > > > >> windows problems occured
> > > >
> > > > I
> > > >
> > > > >>was the guy that had to fix it in my home.
> > > > >>The issue is about 2 things:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>One: most computer users (emph. users) assume that all computers
> behave
> > > > >> as windows does and when they don't thier broken. Nasty truth.
> > > > >>Two: the guy want's to get his (and i did with mine) wife on a
> > > > >> different platform so that I work less on fixing her computer.
> Saying
> > > > >> that however does not imply anything about liking anything. It
> merely
> > > > >> states that what the user is "used too" is windows, simply because
> > > > >> thats all they've seen.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Theron
> > > > >>
> > > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > > >>From: chris129 at cs.iastate.edu
> > > > >>To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
> > > > >>Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:16:07 -0500
> > > > >>Subject: Re: Re: [Cialug] new to this group, and Linux
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Am I the only one who saw lots of characters on that page that don't
> > > > >> exist
> > > >
> > > > in
> > > >
> > > > >>my
> > > > >>set? Lots of "A^" all over the place with an occasional epsilon...
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Anyway, the reviews are ok. But this part is a bit obnoxious:
> > > > >>"Remember, I am the average Windows user and I want things to work
> just
> > > >
> > > > like
> > > >
> > > > >>they would in Windows."
> > > > >>Frankly, when people have that attitude I tell them the perfect
> > > > >> "distro"
> > > >
> > > > for
> > > >
> > > > >>them is Windows ;).
> > > > >>Not to be rude, but if you like Windows you might as well use it!
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Quoting Theron Conrey <theron at conrey.org>:
> > > > >>>Adding to what is posted below there is a great article about
> > > > >>> different distros and thier ease of use written by a Geeks spouse.
> > > > >>> Not saying that it's a bad thing but similar articles helped my
> house
> > > > >>> (wife chose not to veto) become free.
> > > > >>>Theron
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>I believe that this forum will snip me, but here goes
> > > > >>>http://linux-blog.org/index.php?/categories/4-Reviews
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>and if it does it's at the linux-blog.org site under reviews...
> Good
> > > > >>
> > > > >>stuff.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>Theron
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>-----Original Message-----
> > > > >>>From: David Champion <dave at visionary.com>
> > > > >>>To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
> > > > >>>Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:55:34 -0500
> > > > >>>Subject: Re: [Cialug] new to this group, and Linux
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Welcome to the list.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>FYI, there are Linux / Free Unix groups in Ames and Cedar Falls:
> > > > >>>http://www.amesfug.org
> > > > >>>http://www.cedarlug.org
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>We should plan some joint meetings with AmesFUG for this summer!
> > > > >>>Actually, stay tuned for an announcement for the June 15th meeting,
> > > > >>> I'm guessing some of the Ames people may be interested in
> something
> > > > >>> we have in the works.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>For you new users, here's my quick rundown of newbie friendly
> > > > >>>distributions in order of friendliness:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Knoppix (bootable "live cd", no install needed)
> > > > >>>Mandriva (was: Mandrake)
> > > > >>>Ubuntu (has either a "live" cd or an installable CD)
> > > > >>>Suse (the "free" version requires an FTP install, which is a pain)
> > > > >>>Fedora (the free redhat)
> > > > >>>Debian
> > > > >>>....
> > > > >>>Slackware
> > > > >>>....
> > > > >>>Writing your own distro from scratch
> > > > >>>Gentoo
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>I'm sure if you ask, someone will burn you a CD of the latest
> version
> > > > >>> of any of those. I personally have the latest Mandriva 2005 LE
> (aka
> > > > >>> Mandrake 10.2), and I have a bunch of the previous version of
> Ubuntu.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>p.s. :
> > > > >>>We're supposed to be planning an Installfest, which would be handy
> for
> > > > >>>all of these n00bs, but don't have a location or a date yet. Get on
> > > > >>> the stick, you Installfest planners! Let me know if you need the
> > > > >>> contact info for the Nevlyn Center in Ankeny.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>-dc
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Jim Asbille wrote:
> > > > >>>>On Wednesday 01 June 2005 17:45, Travis Beaty wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>I'm also fond of SuSE. I use 9.3, I purchased a copy for $12. I
> > > > >>
> > > > >>started
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>with
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>Debian and then Red Hat but as a newbie I had trouble so I
> purchased
> > > > >>
> > > > >>SuSE
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>9.0
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>which I heard had a great install and excellent out of the box
> > > > >>>> hardware support. I'm hooked now because I'm getting better at
> > > > >>>> using Yast and
> > > >
> > > > I'm
> > > >
> > > > >>>>comfortable with how well everything works.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>On Wednesday 01 June 2005 06:01 pm, albus wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>Welcome Michael.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>Hello All!
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>Since we are introducing ourselves, I suppose it is time for me
> to
> > > > >>>>> come
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>out
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>of lurker mode and say "Hi!"
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>I'm from the teeny weenie town of Osage, northeast of Mason City.
> > > > >>>>> I signed up as I was out looking for lugs close to me -- there
> is
> > > > >>>>> only
> > > >
> > > > one
> > > >
> > > > >>>>>that I am aware of which is closer to me than Des Moines.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>As far as my knowledge of Linux, I guess I would characterize
> myself
> > > > >>>>> as
> > > > >>
> > > > >>on
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>>the "high side of newbie." My story of how I was introduced to
> > > > >>>>> Linux
> > > >
> > > > is
> > > >
> > > > >>>>>embarrassing and humorous, as I am probably the only person in
> the
> > > >
> > > > known
> > > >
> > > > >>>>>universe who has ever *accidentally* installed Linux. This
> happened
> > > > >>>>> in 2000, and I was so impressed with what I saw, I've never gone
> > > > >>>>> back to Windows. (FYI, it was Mandrake 7.2 that I installed.)
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>It's really embarrassing. My machismo commands me to shut up
> about
> > > > >>>>> it
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>now.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>At any rate, I would suggest looking at SuSE. I am now currently
> > > > >>
> > > > >>running
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>>9.2 on my laptop, and it is very nice. 9.3 is out, but I haven't
> > > > >>
> > > > >>upgraded
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>>yet, apart from installing KDE 3.4 on my system.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>I'm sure there will be others that would argue pro or con about
> > > > >>>>> SuSE.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>And,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>that great! It's really a personal thing, what I've gained from
> my
> > > > >>>>> own personal experiences with Linux. If [insert Linux distro
> here]
> > > > >>>>> works
> > > > >>
> > > > >>for
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>>you, that's super!! But keep in mind too that there are MANY
> high
> > > > >>
> > > > >>quality
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>>distros out there that are free, and very good.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>Welcome to the Linux world. I think you will like it here!
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>Regards,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>Travis Beaty
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>P.S. At some point, I'll try to get to a meeting, but it is quite
> a
> > > > >>
> > > > >>ways
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>>to drive for me.
> > > > >>>
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