[Cialug] new to this group, and Linux
Theron Conrey
theron at conrey.org
Thu Jun 2 13:04:19 CDT 2005
I would agree with your first statement slightly revised:
I'm correct but that doesn't make it right.
My wife cares nought about the OS she only needs to accomplish tasks
A,B, and C. She dosen't want nor need to learn anything else. When I
buy a standard transmission toyota, I'd like to take the skills I've
learned in operating that vehicle and believe that I can use the basics
when learning to drive a standard lambourghini. The more different it
is, the longer it takes me to learn how to use the car. That dosen't
mean that I need to work "under the hood" to get it from point A to
point "B". The fact is that the article (as are all good projects)
requirement based. if a requirement is to have basic windows users
comfortable with the system, the closer it looks to windows the
likelyhood of it's success increases. Not saying that it's an ideal
solution or an elegant one, just that it's the reality that's upon us.
BTW, my wife thinks that if she needs to learn how to change the oil or
adjust the timimg of a vehicle to drive, then she'd rather
walk.............. It translate = to computers.....
chris129 at cs.iastate.edu wrote:
>You're right, but that doesn't make it ok ;).
>One: People who believe this should be exposed to the outside world. There was
>a time when most people thought involuntary-debtless slavery was normal; that
>never made it optimal, right, ok, truly legal, or anything else. This is not
>such a big deal, after all it's just a computer not a human; but sometimes you
>have to make drastic analogies to get people's attention.
>My point is that it's very rude to come to someone and say: "Your product or
>tool of choice is not good because it doesn't behave like the other product."
>Like telling someone their Lambourghini is awful because it's a stick shift (if
>I'm up to speed these only come in manual)...
>
>People should be willing to read and learn compact things (and how to execute
>shells, and all other executables in unix is very compact) to get something new
>or different.
>
>She is right about Java installs though, if your distribution doesn't do it for
>you it is a very hairy process for the newb (although I've seen newbs do
>it)...
>
>
>Quoting Theron Conrey <theron at conrey.org>:
>
>
>
>>Not rude at all, because you've missed the point. His wife wants to use a
>>computer that just works. Linux vs. Windows unimportant to the non techie.
>>However if the only thing a non techie uses for work is windows, and you have
>>to live with that person and fix thier computer problems, it helps to be
>>proficient. I am (nor the spouse of the author of that article) not a
>>windows admin. or a user. So when things broke on my wife's laptop the
>>beratment was severe since I earn a living as a "computer guy" and should
>>know how to fix these "simple" problems. So when windows problems occured I
>>was the guy that had to fix it in my home.
>>The issue is about 2 things:
>>
>>One: most computer users (emph. users) assume that all computers behave as
>>windows does and when they don't thier broken. Nasty truth.
>>Two: the guy want's to get his (and i did with mine) wife on a different
>>platform so that I work less on fixing her computer. Saying that however
>>does not imply anything about liking anything. It merely states that what
>>the user is "used too" is windows, simply because thats all they've seen.
>>
>>Theron
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: chris129 at cs.iastate.edu
>>To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
>>Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:16:07 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Re: [Cialug] new to this group, and Linux
>>
>>Am I the only one who saw lots of characters on that page that don't exist in
>>my
>>set? Lots of "A^" all over the place with an occasional epsilon...
>>
>>Anyway, the reviews are ok. But this part is a bit obnoxious:
>>"Remember, I am the average Windows user and I want things to work just like
>>they would in Windows."
>>Frankly, when people have that attitude I tell them the perfect "distro" for
>>them is Windows ;).
>>Not to be rude, but if you like Windows you might as well use it!
>>
>>
>>Quoting Theron Conrey <theron at conrey.org>:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Adding to what is posted below there is a great article about different
>>>distros and thier ease of use written by a Geeks spouse. Not saying that
>>>it's a bad thing but similar articles helped my house (wife chose not to
>>>veto) become free.
>>>Theron
>>>
>>>I believe that this forum will snip me, but here goes
>>>http://linux-blog.org/index.php?/categories/4-Reviews
>>>
>>>and if it does it's at the linux-blog.org site under reviews... Good
>>>
>>>
>>stuff.
>>
>>
>>>Theron
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: David Champion <dave at visionary.com>
>>>To: Central Iowa Linux Users Group <cialug at cialug.org>
>>>Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:55:34 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: [Cialug] new to this group, and Linux
>>>
>>>Welcome to the list.
>>>
>>>FYI, there are Linux / Free Unix groups in Ames and Cedar Falls:
>>>http://www.amesfug.org
>>>http://www.cedarlug.org
>>>
>>>We should plan some joint meetings with AmesFUG for this summer!
>>>Actually, stay tuned for an announcement for the June 15th meeting, I'm
>>>guessing some of the Ames people may be interested in something we have
>>>in the works.
>>>
>>>For you new users, here's my quick rundown of newbie friendly
>>>distributions in order of friendliness:
>>>
>>>Knoppix (bootable "live cd", no install needed)
>>>Mandriva (was: Mandrake)
>>>Ubuntu (has either a "live" cd or an installable CD)
>>>Suse (the "free" version requires an FTP install, which is a pain)
>>>Fedora (the free redhat)
>>>Debian
>>>....
>>>Slackware
>>>....
>>>Writing your own distro from scratch
>>>Gentoo
>>>
>>>I'm sure if you ask, someone will burn you a CD of the latest version of
>>>any of those. I personally have the latest Mandriva 2005 LE (aka
>>>Mandrake 10.2), and I have a bunch of the previous version of Ubuntu.
>>>
>>>p.s. :
>>>We're supposed to be planning an Installfest, which would be handy for
>>>all of these n00bs, but don't have a location or a date yet. Get on the
>>>stick, you Installfest planners! Let me know if you need the contact
>>>info for the Nevlyn Center in Ankeny.
>>>
>>>-dc
>>>
>>>Jim Asbille wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Wednesday 01 June 2005 17:45, Travis Beaty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I'm also fond of SuSE. I use 9.3, I purchased a copy for $12. I
>>>>
>>>>
>>started
>>
>>
>>>with
>>>
>>>
>>>>Debian and then Red Hat but as a newbie I had trouble so I purchased
>>>>
>>>>
>>SuSE
>>
>>
>>>9.0
>>>
>>>
>>>>which I heard had a great install and excellent out of the box hardware
>>>>support. I'm hooked now because I'm getting better at using Yast and I'm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>comfortable with how well everything works.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Wednesday 01 June 2005 06:01 pm, albus wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Welcome Michael.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Hello All!
>>>>>
>>>>>Since we are introducing ourselves, I suppose it is time for me to come
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>out
>>>
>>>
>>>>>of lurker mode and say "Hi!"
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm from the teeny weenie town of Osage, northeast of Mason City. I
>>>>>signed up as I was out looking for lugs close to me -- there is only one
>>>>>that I am aware of which is closer to me than Des Moines.
>>>>>
>>>>>As far as my knowledge of Linux, I guess I would characterize myself as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>on
>>
>>
>>>>>the "high side of newbie." My story of how I was introduced to Linux is
>>>>>embarrassing and humorous, as I am probably the only person in the known
>>>>>universe who has ever *accidentally* installed Linux. This happened in
>>>>>2000, and I was so impressed with what I saw, I've never gone back to
>>>>>Windows. (FYI, it was Mandrake 7.2 that I installed.)
>>>>>
>>>>>It's really embarrassing. My machismo commands me to shut up about it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>now.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>At any rate, I would suggest looking at SuSE. I am now currently
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>running
>>
>>
>>>>>9.2 on my laptop, and it is very nice. 9.3 is out, but I haven't
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>upgraded
>>
>>
>>>>>yet, apart from installing KDE 3.4 on my system.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm sure there will be others that would argue pro or con about SuSE.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>And,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>that great! It's really a personal thing, what I've gained from my own
>>>>>personal experiences with Linux. If [insert Linux distro here] works
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>for
>>
>>
>>>>>you, that's super!! But keep in mind too that there are MANY high
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>quality
>>
>>
>>>>>distros out there that are free, and very good.
>>>>>
>>>>>Welcome to the Linux world. I think you will like it here!
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>Travis Beaty
>>>>>
>>>>>P.S. At some point, I'll try to get to a meeting, but it is quite a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>ways
>>
>>
>>>>>to drive for me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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