[Cialug] Asterisk, IAXYs and IAX (was Des Moines Area ISPs)
n00b
cialug@cialug.org
Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:47:59 -0500
what have you read?
-----Original Message-----
From: "Nathan C. Smith" <smith@ipmvs.com>
To: "'cialug@cialug.org'" <cialug@cialug.org>
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:36:59 -0500
Subject: RE: [Cialug] Asterisk, IAXYs and IAX (was Des Moines Area ISPs)
> Based only on what I've read, I would not go near a wireless VOIP
> phone.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave J. Hala Jr. [mailto:dave@58ghz.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:32 AM
> To: Cialug
> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Asterisk, IAXYs and IAX (was Des Moines Area
> ISPs)
>
>
>
> It just depends on how you lay it and how big your cells are...
>
> I really think it can done - on a small to medium sized scale...
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2005-04-14 at 11:23, Tom Pohl wrote:
> > LOL yeah, just like that ;)
> >
> > The problem with WDS is that with each hop, you cut the bandwidth in
> > half because it's not a full-duplex radio. By the time you get 4-5
> > hops away you're sharing a whopping straw that makes dialup look good
> > ;)
> >
> > -Tom
> >
> > On Apr 14, 2005, at 11:09 AM, Dave J. Hala Jr. wrote:
> >
> > > Get an 802.11b voip phone. Get a bunch of linksys wrtg's running
> the
> > > sveasoft software using wds on them, and connect it all back to
> > > asterisk. Poof! You're now voip cell phone coop.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2005-04-14 at 10:58, Dave Weis wrote:
> > >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Jonathan Bailey wrote:
> > >>> 1. Hardware. You'd be looking at a 2Ghz-ish box with at least a
> gig
> > >>> of
> > >>> memory.
> > >>> 2. Bandwidth. Marshallnet - I think they have some to spare :-D
> > >>> Don't know
> > >>> if it would be at the colo rate or what.
> > >>> 3. Termination/local DIDs - probably get a fractional T1 from
> qwest,
> > >>> but can
> > >>> you get DSM DIDs in Marshalltown, etc?
> > >>> 4. LD - Probably go through IAXtel or similar - ~2cents/min or
> so, I
> > >>> think.
> > >>
> > >> The box wouldn't have to be quite that beefy but probably close. I
> > >> will
> > >> offer the service if we have enough people pre signup. Monthly
> cost
> > >> will
> > >> be about $750 for me to do it including the qwest circuit and
> getting
> > >> it
> > >> to my location.
> > >>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org] On
> > >>> Behalf Of
> > >>> Nathan C. Smith
> > >>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:25 AM
> > >>> To: 'cialug@cialug.org'
> > >>> Subject: RE: [Cialug] Asterisk, IAXYs and IAX (was Des Moines
> Area
> > >>> ISPs)
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> So how would an asterisk Coop work? We would need:
> > >>> a machine,
> > >>> a place to host it
> > >>> Internet bandwidth with necessary room and/or QoS a small race
> of
> > >>> elf-like
> > >>> genius computer operators to manage it.
> > >>>
> > >>> People could get individual accounts from companies like
> voicepulse
> > >>> or
> > >>> Nufone and just host them on the box, that could make it easy to
> > >>> skirt
> > >>> billing issues. What codecs would we allow, what protocols to
> > >>> connect? IAX
> > >>> and/or SIP? (forgone conclusion: no h.323!).
> > >>>
> > >>> There is a new version of the IAXy out, I don't know if the
> firmware
> > >>> is any
> > >>> different (improved) or not. I have one of the netweb phones
> loaded
> > >>> with
> > >>> IAX, it works fine too, but you cannot configure it with multiple
> > >>> hosts like
> > >>> you can the IAXy. BTW, if you use Windows there is a really good
> > >>> IAXy
> > >>> provisioning tool available.
> > >>>
> > >>> Pulvers' thing is Bellster - I know the name changed, but I can't
> > >>> think of
> > >>> it right now either.
> > >>>
> > >>> The IAXY's are kind of overpriced when you compare them to the
> > >>> capabilities
> > >>> of a Sipura 2000, but the Sipura's only support SIP at this time.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Nate
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Tom Pohl [mailto:tom@tcpconsulting.com]
> > >>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:46 AM
> > >>> To: cialug@cialug.org
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Des Moines Area ISPs
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I agree on the whole co-op asterisk thing! Actually, there's a
> > >>> project
> > >>> that Jeff Pulver started to do just that sort of thing on a
> national
> > >>> or
> > >>> international scale. I can't remember the name at the moment.
> > >>>
> > >>> I really like my iaxy's I've setup about 5 of them with great
> > >>> success
> > >>> with all of them. The best part is that there are no NAT woes
> with
> > >>> them! One of my iaxy's I bridge to the wireless network so I can
> > >>> have
> > >>> an extension in a room that otherwise has no phone options.
> > >>>
> > >>> The only thing that concerns me is that there is absolutely no
> > >>> security
> > >>> on the device. Anyone on the local network can re-provision it!
> > >>> Maybe
> > >>> it's more secure if you setup iaxy provisioning from asterisk,
> but
> > >>> I've
> > >>> never tried. I use them both on local networks as well as over
> the
> > >>> internet just fine!
> > >>>
> > >>> One of my business partners keeps his at his store on a mediacom
> > >>> connection and the pbx is on a dsl line and it works great! I've
> > >>> also
> > >>> trunked the business pbx to my home pbx for my extensions and
> have it
> > >>> roll out to my cell phone if I'm not reached on the VOIP network.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Tom
> > >>>
> > >>> On Apr 14, 2005, at 9:02 AM, Nathan C. Smith wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> It's kind of silly that so many people in our group are throwing
> > >>>> their
> > >>>> money
> > >>>> at Vonage when we could do so some kind of a co-op thing with
> > >>>> Asterisk.
> > >>>> There are several outbound services like nufone that let you
> keep an
> > >>>> account
> > >>>> balance and bill it as you use the minutes, a much less
> expensive
> > >>>> proposition than Vonage. We just need a provider like *cough*
> > >>>> Internetsolver who could provide inbound DIDs.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Tom, what has your experience with the IAXy been like? I've had
> > >>>> mixed
> > >>>> results with the one I've tried, using it in a DHCP environment.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Freese-notis is also busy exploring VOIP and hopes to terminate
> DIDs
> > >>>> in the
> > >>>> future.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -Nate
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Tom Pohl [mailto:tom@tcpconsulting.com]
> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:45 AM
> > >>>> To: cialug@cialug.org
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Des Moines Area ISPs
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It's a shame that vonage aren't asterisk friendly on your first
> > >>>> line.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In my house, I use a mix of grandstream budgetone phones
> > >>>> (http://grandstream.com/y-bt100.htm) and Digium's iaxy's
> connected
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> normal phones (http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=iaxy) to
> talk to
> > >>>> my asterisk pbx.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I've used VoicePulse's connect service
> > >>>> (http://connect.voicepulse.com/) to get an inbound DID, but
> > >>>> unfortunately, they don't have any Iowa numbers yet.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -Tom
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Apr 13, 2005, at 8:26 PM, n00b wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> you can have 2 seperate lines on my adapter (linksys pap2).
> check
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>> configuration of whatever device you get as to how many lines
> it
> > >>>>> supports.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> i have all the phones in my house on the same line on my pap2.
> this
> > >>>>> was easy for me (sine i have cable). with cable, you just
> > >>>>> disconnect
> > >>>>> qwests lines from your phone network terminal outside, getting
> rid
> > >>>>> of
> > >>>>> any voltage that could be coming in from them, then plug a cord
> > >>>>> into
> > >>>>> your phone adapter and the other end into a wall jack. any
> phone
> > >>>>> that
> > >>>>> was on the same line as that jack should have dialtone. with
> dsl
> > >>>>> i'm
> > >>>>> not sure how you'd do
> > >>>>> this same setup except for running new phone wires everywhere
> in
> > >>>>> your
> > >>>>> home. i use a cordless so its kinda like the benifit of wifi.
> no
> > >>>>> need
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>> run extra wires.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> hope this helps. if you want a more through explanation on how
> to
> > >>>>> do
> > >>>>> a better setup look in vonages help pages.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> neal
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: "Alan Maupin" <alan.maupin@mchsi.com>
> > >>>>> To: <cialug@cialug.org>
> > >>>>> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:09:37 -0500
> > >>>>> Subject: RE: [Cialug] Des Moines Area ISPs
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Jon, -- how do I setup two phone's on Vonage, up and down
> stairs?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I've been looking into getting Vonage to replace Quest phone
> > >>>>>> service. At first glance it looks very good with all of the
> free
> > >>>>>> options such as 3-way calling and the email/phone integration.
>
> > >>>>>> The
> > >>>>>> problem I've run into is
> > >>>>>> having a phone setup on the first and second floor of my home.
> > >>>>>> According to
> > >>>>>> the Vonage representative I can only use one broadband phone
> > >>>>>> adapter
> > >>>>>> per
> > >>>>>> phone line since it involves the mac address of the phone
> > >>>>>> adapter. I
> > >>>>>> would
> > >>>>>> connect the phone adapter to my router upstairs and connect a
> > >>>>>> phone
> > >>>>>> to
> > >>>>>> it.
> > >>>>>> The problem is how do I connect my phone downstairs?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]
> On
> > >>>>>> Behalf Of Bailey, Jonathan C
> > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:41 PM
> > >>>>>> To: cialug@cialug.org
> > >>>>>> Subject: RE: [Cialug] Des Moines Area ISPs
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> If the DSL kept going out whenever your phone rings, that
> usually
> > >>>>>> means you
> > >>>>>> aren't using filters.. Had that with a local business..
> > >>>>>> Embarassing
> > >>>>>> call to
> > >>>>>> tech support..
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> As for VoIP, I'm switching to Vonage to keep my local number
> when
> > >>>>>> I
> > >>>>>> move. Just waiting to see if Qwest will switch me to
> standalone
> > >>>>>> DSL
> > >>>>>> or just disconnect me completely when the LNP is done.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Jon
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: cialug-admin@cialug.org
> [mailto:cialug-admin@cialug.org]On
> > >>>>>> Behalf
> > >>>>>> Of Tim Perdue
> > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:37 PM
> > >>>>>> To: cialug@cialug.org
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cialug] Des Moines Area ISPs
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> timwilson011@mchsi.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Mediacom, basically because that's what I signed up with 4+
> years
> > >>>>>> ago. At
> > >>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>> time, DSL couldn't give the bandwidth cable could. It still
> > >>>>>>> can't,
> > >>>>>> but it
> > >>>>>> is
> > >>>>>>> much better than it used to be. I've been toying with the
> idea
> > >>>>>>> of
> > >>>>>> switching to
> > >>>>>>> DSL (and InternetSolver), but just haven't been pushed (read:
> > >>>>>>> pissed
> > >>>>>> off)
> > >>>>>> enough
> > >>>>>>> I guess.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I wonder whatever happened to multiple ISPs on cable...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I had really good luck with Mediacom for ~4 years, but
> switched to
> > >>>>>> DSL (freese notis) so I could have a fixed IP and servers
> online.
> > >>>>>> VOIP seems to be happier with DSL too. The cable modem network
> > >>>>>> apparently has no UPS anywhere, as it is offline as soon as
> your
> > >>>>>> house lights dim.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> DSL was going offline a lot whenever the phone would ring, but
> I
> > >>>>>> finally just canceled the phone service and it works fine now.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Tim
> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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